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Local netizens split on Benjamin Davis’ NS deferment affair

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In a statement on 15 July, the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) announced that young midfielder Benjamin Davis’ application for NS deferment due to his signing with newly-promoted English Premier League club, Fulham FC, was not approved, as he “does not meet the criteria for long-term deferment from full-time NS”.

Ben Davis’ father, Harvey Davis, stated that his son will be carrying out his National Service (NS) duties, contrary to MINDEF’s assumption regarding the issue.

MINDEF’s decision has sparked a fiery debate amongst local netizens, some of whom have expressed dismay against the decision and believe that Davis’ potential should not be squandered due to MINDEF’s rigid reasoning.

Timothy Leong said:

Because of a kid, everybody becomes a professional in NS and national defence, even those who have not served before. To those who asked him to leave, [are] you guys [just] sore just because he has a chance to live his dream and you can’t? [Is it] Because you’re still stuck in your mediocre life and you don’t want to see others with talent succeed? Get a life man.

Tey Tai Fong wrote:

Ben Davis, don’t take the citizenship anymore. Neither [does] the country appreciate your support here, nor [do] they understand youth development. If one day you get to represent England and win the World Cup, England will appreciate you more than [people will] here. Maybe then, they will say, “Ben Davis, who used to study in Singapore…” Must find a way to link back the relationship with you. Go, just go.

Angeline Lee commented:

When the government gives scholarships for tertiary studies to those with impressive academic scores but none to Singaporean sporting talents, then it is discriminatory to deny them opportunities to seek scholarships overseas.

Vickna Anandarajah suggested:

There are so many variables to consider. Of course he cannot give a firm commitment as such. He could be released early or not get an extension, but at least let him serve the first contract, and then ask to come back to serve after that. Is that too much to ask. He will still be younger than most poly students.

Schooling has been deferred twice and has now gone professional. What happens after 2020? There’s no discussion there. 

Paul Anthony wrote:

This decision jeopardises his entire professional career. Football teams look for the best 17-18 year olds every year to recruit. The window of opportunity for an athlete is small, and he has it. The career of a professional athlete also is very short in comparison to other professions.

Comparing this profession to “universities” or other professions ignores the fact that one can go to university or into intellectual professions at anytime, but athletes cannot. He should be afforded the opportunity to excel in one of the world’s leading football leagues. If he succeeds, he will bring so much joy and national pride to Singapore, and provide it with a star to lead its national team for the next 10-15 years.  That, in and of itself, is the very definition of “national service”.

If he is compelled to complete NS, he will likely be overlooked by Fulham and other teams for the next batch of 17-18 year olds they can train and develop, as opposed to a 19-20 year old kid who had talent 2 years ago.

Thomas George wrote:

My issue here is that politicians did not debate this issue years ago by providing a tangible framework in anticipation, instead of making things up as they go along.. We started a Sports School. What is the rationale of doing that if  there is a break in the pursuit of sports! I am totally behind NS, but this issue should have been thought out, way back!

Gerald Sim questioned:

Why is MINDEF only now stating this “criteria” in public? Why did its previous statement only state that “deferments are granted only to those who represent Singapore in international competitions like the Olympic Games and are potential medal winners”…

Tracy Wong wrote:

Ben’s older brother has already served the NS… this family is committed to Singapore like any other family but just in the “Others” category of Singaporean group… Can we guarantee other new citizens in the last 10 years from other countries to be loyal to Singapore too?

So would some people please don’t judge and comment loosely before having enough information to do so… 

If my child is so talented in an age-sensitive career… I would ask him or her to follow one’s dream too… 

I am surprised that Singapore is not making their astute business-like decision in this case… It’s such a good case to say that Ben and family born overseas but has converted to become Singaporean and being trained in Singapore facilities can also reach international standard… This will help to attract more good and diverse talents to Singapore…

Unless Singapore government is obviously bias and only interested in attracting one particular type of Foreign Talent and bias or discriminate against other form or types of talents, one should be a little more flexible but still fair about the rules.

Singapore government should be big enough to say that you can dream and achieve big, we can give you flexible deferment… to strike a win-win situation…! 

At the age of 18-20, it’s the best time to learn and achieve one’s dream. Honestly, NS can be served after uni before starting work… 

In Ben case, even if he comes back at 40 to serve NS, he can teach and coach many young boys in the NS how to be fit and play a good game of football all over the camps in Singapore… It’s a win win right… No need to follow the book to the T, right… 

Thought the government would like to encourage people to think out of the box… 

Vincent Law commented:

This is just getting ridiculous. On one hand, we hand out citizenship to foreign players, and on the other, deny a citizen the chance to fulfil their potential in the ultimate cutthroat career of an athlete.

Lilian Chang said:

Whether you can make it to the top or not, at least you have tried. Please leave for good… Bye bye?

Yazid Bin Abu Hassan wrote:

Bruh, opportunity doesn’t come often. You deserve to follow your dream. Change nationality if possible.

Geraronden Lim said:

Just go your way and do your parents proud. Good luck, think nothing [of] what people say, go with your heart. Singapore is not your only choice…

Others have declared their support for MINDEF’s decision, mostly citing the relative newness of his citizenship and their belief that playing for an EPL club is not on the same level as participating, and even winning a Gold medal, in the Olympics.

M W John Tan wrote:

MINDEF is right in not granting Ben a deferment. The reason is that he and his parent did not commit a date for him to come back to serve NS. There is no guarantee that he will come back to serve NS after 2 yrs. It all depends on how he fares there. What happens if he is successful in Fulham FC? He might even stay there and renounce his [Singapore] citizenship. After all, they are newly minted citizens who are still not true blue Singaporeans, because both [of his] parents are migrants […] MINDEF has to be very careful — there will be more cases like this surfacing in future.

I have 2 sons who [have] already completed NS. Last time during my son’s BMT [Basic Military Training] at Tekong, I was proud to see an Ang Moh [White/Caucasian person] with his son serving NS. This is what I call real immigrant who can contribute to Singapore and to our defence. Not those who benefit from our sport school, and now going overseas for their own benefit. If you want to keep your citizenship, there is only one way: Serve your NS first, than go overseas, which most male Singaporeans go through. Why must you be so special? Our legendary footballer Fandi Ahmad served his NS first before he played for Singapore and then overseas to play for a Dutch club.

Chong Yeong Fong said:

Ben’s father is asking for an “open-ended” deferment and will not commit to Ben returning to Singapore to fulfil his duties to serve NS as a male Singaporean. That means he is asking for an EXEMPTION. I am shocked that there are still Singaporeans thinking that MINDEF is wrong in not granting deferment. Come on, we are all being played out by the father and we still want to support Ben? Don’t be so gullible (I admit I was) and get used by the father to garner support. He did not come clean with us [about] why MINDEF did not grant [his son] deferment.

Carmen Grace Tan wrote:

To keep it short : He did not commit a date. His father openly admitted [that] he is looking out for his son’s future, not Singapore’s.

Akai Shi said:

So simple solution lor. Ben just say 1 Jan 2038 can liao. This will be new information to MINDEF, and they can then approve [the deferment]. Or you say during off-season [that] you [will] come back [and] serve in installments lah!

Thom Tham wrote:

Even top [South] Korean player Son Heung-min who is earning big bucks with Tottenham Hotpurs in the EPL is required to go home to serve his [South Korean] National Service!

Aloysius Kwan commented:

Just let him renounce his citizenship la. He’s not a true blue Singaporean anyway. He alone can’t bring Singapore to a higher standard of soccer. Soccer is a team of 11 players, not an individual like [Joseph] Schooling who can solo his way to [a] Gold [medal]. Unless we have 10 [of] Ben Davis…

Thom Tham wrote:

Don’t mix personal interest with national interest! You can’t eat the apple and at the same time want to eat the pear too. He is donning the Fulham FC badge, not the “Moon and 5 Stars” [the Singapore national] badge! This is clearly a personal pursuit… Just go, and don’t [make a] fuss about it.

Jerome Wong said:

MINDEF is right. He will never come back to Singapore ever again if he is offered a senior contract. By the way, who will? However, he wants keep Singapore citizenship as a backup if things don’t work out in England.

Sheri Chee commented:

“He was born in Thailand to a Thai mother and a British father, but moved to Singapore at the age of five and gained citizenship there in 2009. He studied at the Singapore Sports School from 2013 to 2015 before moving to London’s Harrow High School in 2016.”

Let’s ask ourselves, will he come back for NS if deferment is granted? He is barely a citizen — for about 9yrs — with non-Singaporean parents. His case places very little confidence to the authority [MINDEF].

Hanwei Lim wrote:

Why give him so much attention? NS is still bigger than [his] personal interests. If can’t serve, then leave. Simple. No one force[d] him to stay. EPL [is] no big deal.

Goo Hiong Gwee commented:

Even if [his] return is dated, I am not of [the] opinion [that] joining [the] Fulham youth team deserves a deferment. This would be an insult to others before him who [have] diligently served NS on time and held back their bright careers.

Lim Jun Xiong wrote:

i support mindef’s decision too. sports sg is right, some kind of commitment to return must be given, if not, why should the deferment application be considered when it’s clearly a request for waiver instead? of course, davis can reapply for another deferment if there’s a new development in his career. that was what joseph schooling did.

Lee Henry commented:

To openly declare the possibility of giving up his citizenship is a silly move by his father… It’s like a threat to MINDEF, which they will now not back off from, and will, in fact, use it against father and son to question their loyalty to Singapore. Game over.

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Halimah Yaacob proposes classifying platform workers as employees for enhanced protections

Former Singapore President Halimah Yaacob hailed the Platform Workers Bill as a “good start” for protecting gig workers but suggested a simpler approach: classifying some platform workers as employees for automatic labour law, social security, and union protections. She emphasised that the current system, which leaves workers bearing all risks and costs, is unsustainable and adversely affects their future and families.

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SINGAPORE: Former Singapore President Halimah Yaacob has lauded the recently passed Platform Workers Bill as a “good start ” in protecting gig economy workers.

However, she suggested that a more straightforward approach would have been to classify platform workers who meet certain criteria as employees, thereby granting them automatic coverage under labour laws, social security protections, and union representation—an approach already adopted by some countries.

In her Facebook post, Halimah acknowledged the Bill’s role in addressing the vulnerabilities of platform work.

The legislation, effective from 2025, mandates increased Central Provident Fund (CPF) contributions for platform workers and provides enhanced work injury compensation and representation through union-like associations.

 

The parliamentary debate on September 9 and 10 centered on the distribution of costs—whether they will fall on platform workers, companies, or consumers.

Concerns were raised about the potential impact on consumers and the financial burden on platform companies.

Several MPs expressed worries about discrimination against workers who choose higher contributions and advocated for expanding the law to include other platform services such as domestic cleaning and caregiving.

Senior Minister of State for Manpower Koh Poh Koon reiterated that the protections are meant to level the playing field for businesses and ensure fair competition, while also preventing platform operators from passing the costs unfairly onto consumers or workers.

Madam Halimah highlighted how platform work can distort the pricing of goods and services, with consumers expecting low-cost, fast deliveries.

She noted that if platform workers were classified as employees, the costs of their protection—such as for sickness, business downtime, and social security—would be borne by employers and partially passed on to consumers.

She said It’s then up to us to decide whether to make use of such great convenience but at a certain price.

“It’s then up to the companies to properly factor in their costs to remain competitive as all other businesses are doing. It’s all about the business operating model that has fundamentally changed with the availability of platforms.”

Madam Halimah argued that since platform workers are essentially employees subject to company conditions, they should receive the same protections as other employees in terms of health, social security, and business downtime.

She pointed out that platform workers have been shouldering all the risks and costs, which is not sustainable and affects their ability to secure homes and plan for the future, impacting their families and future generations.

She also discussed the negative aspects of information technology and algorithms, referencing a case from a US fast-food chain where algorithms disrupt workers’ rest periods based on fluctuating customer demand.

The Platform Workers Bill defines platform workers as individuals who provide ride-hailing or delivery services for an online platform and are under the platform’s control.

According to data from the Ministry of Manpower (MOM), there were approximately 70,500 platform workers in Singapore in 2023, accounting for about 3 percent of the workforce.

This total includes 22,200 taxi drivers, 33,600 private-hire drivers, and 14,700 delivery workers.

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Concerns raised over job prospects for older workers as Singapore Turf Club begins retrenchment

As the Singapore Turf Club (STC) prepares to retrench the first batch of 90 employees amid its closure, concerns have emerged on social media about the impact on those nearing retirement. Many question if the job fairs and training courses will be adequate for securing new employment. The STC site is set to be returned to the government by 2027 for redevelopment into housing and other uses.

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SINGAPORE: Following the announcement that the Singapore Turf Club (STC) will retrench all 350 of its employees in phases, the Singaporean community has voiced concerns on social media.

Many are worried about the impact on workers who are already in their mid to late career stages, questioning whether the job fairs and skills-training courses provided will be sufficient to help them secure new employment.

As reported by Singapore state media Channel News Asia, the first batch of 90 employees will be gradually let go between November 2024 and April 2025.

To support the affected workers, the STC has identified over 300 training courses, with about 95% of the employees having taken advantage of these opportunities.

On average, each worker has completed approximately 42 hours of training.

Additionally, the STC will hold two exclusive job fairs in September, offering more than 1,800 job opportunities across the hospitality, healthcare, and government sectors to its employees.

The timeline for the retrenchment of the remaining employees is still being finalised.

In a separate development, around 700 horses will be exported, and the final race at the Singapore Racecourse will take place on October 5, 2024.

In June last year, The Ministry of Finance (MOF) and the Ministry of National Development (MND) announced the STC’s impending closure, citing a decline in local horse racing spectatorship and the need to repurpose the land for the city-state’s growing infrastructure needs.

The approximately 120-hectare land parcel in Kranji, where the Singapore Racecourse is located, will be redeveloped for housing and other potential uses, including leisure and recreation.

The land is scheduled to be returned to the government by 2027.

As reported by CNA, retrenched workers from the Singapore Turf Club expressed mixed emotions about the impending closure.

Mr Subramaniam, who spent 45 years at the club, reflected on his deep personal connection to the racecourse, having started his career as a painter and later taking on various roles.

Ms Sandy Yong, who worked in the membership and rewards department for five years, lamented the loss of a supportive work environment but is preparing to transition to an administrative role.

“It’s hard to find a job that has good colleagues and good bosses,” she said.

Mr Samsudin Rakidin, with over 45 years of service, plans to rest before taking on new work, possibly in a hospital.

Concern Over Multiple Retrenchment News and the Impact on Workers in Their Mid to Late Careers

Commenting on the STC retrenchment due to its impending closure, netizens shared heartfelt reactions on CNA’s Facebook post.

Some users expressed sympathy for the employees, underscoring the emotional challenge of departing from a place that has been integral to their passion and long-term careers.

There was concern about the high number of retrenchments news reported recently, with comparisons drawn to other companies like Qoo10 Singapore, which also announced significant staff cuts.

Some comments noted the challenges faced by older workers, questioning whether the management could guarantee suitable job placements for them, given their age and the potential difficulty in finding new employment.

It was pointed out that retrenched staff nearing retirement age might struggle with lower-paying jobs or even pay cuts due to their specific skill sets and limited job market opportunities.

Nostalgia was also a common theme, with users recalling their personal connections to the Turf Club, including memories of growing up in the club’s quarters, underscoring the deep emotional impact of the closure on both current and former employees.

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