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Christians join Muslims in protest against Pink Dot

Christians join Muslims in protest against Pink Dot
June 21
03:45 2014

In what could be a rare show of solidarity between two faiths, members of the Faith Community Baptist Church (FCBC) and the LoveSingapore network of churches have announced that they will be joining the Wear White campaign, initiated by members of the Muslim community, to protest against the Pink Dot event to be held at Hong Lim Park next Saturday, 28 June.

The Wear White campaign was initiated by Ustaz Noor Deros, 28, a religious leader, in a bid to ask Muslims to “return to their natural disposition”. The campaign calls for Muslims to wear white when attending the first prayer on 28 June. The Muslim month of Ramadan starts on Sunday, 29 June.

The campaign organisers have earlier spoken out strongly against Pink Dot, saying the Pink Dot organisers have deliberately chosen the date as a mark of disrespect to Islam.

The Pink Dot event, organised in support of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community in Singapore, has been held on the fourth Saturday of June since it began in 2009.

Lawrence Khong, senior pastor of FCBC, posted the following in his Facebook page:

“I’m so happy that Singapore’s Muslim community is making a vocal and visual stand for morality and Family. I fully support the ‘wear white’ campaign. FCBC, together with the LoveSingapore network of churches, will follow suit on the weekend of 28 and 29 June, island-wide. I look forward to celebrating the Family with the Muslim community and I am pleased to partner with them in championing virtue and purity for the good of our nation!”

The organisers of FamFest, previously called Red Dot Family Movement, had their application to host the event at the Padang on 28 June, the same day as Pink Dot, rejected by the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF), “as it deemed the event unsuitable for the Padang”. The event has since been cancelled.

The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (MUIS) has earlier advised Muslims not to be confrontational towards the LGBT community and the lifestyle they choose to adopt. While MUIS has indicated that it does not approve of the “pervasiveness” of the LGBT lifestyle, it also cautioned against mosques being “involved in the crossfire” between the Pink Dot and Wear White initiatives.

Poet and playwright Alfian Sa’at had earlier taken issue with the Wear White campaign, citing its openly combative stance against Pink Dot. He noted on his Facebook page that the organisers have since taken down the “allegation that Pink Dot had intentionally decided to hold the event on the first day of Ramadan,  ‘to underline their disdain for Islam’.”

 
  • mouseking

    The fap must be laughing now! Finally, an issue to distract the people! It is harmless to fap!

  • TheConviction

    #TooBusyWithReligion … the F.A.P will take this opportunity to try to unite the people away from the P.A.P and they will blindly follow

  • tat

    These two groups of nincompoops are helping to advertise the events unwittingly.

  • TheConviction

    #Pinkdot Bad Publicity is still Publicity

  • jessie

    It is a shame that any Christian will follow Pastor Khong . Jesus Christ is and was against any
    condemnation of any segment of society. The story of the woman caught in adultery and Christ telling them that they could only stone her if they had not sinned clearly tells us it is wrong for us to judge others. The parable of the weeds growing together with the wheat tells us clearly that judgement belongs only to God. Pastor Khong needs all our prayers!
    -Jessie

    • Ivan Bok

      I’m glad that there are people like you who think this way. Religion often gets a bad rep from people like Pastor Khong

      • jessie

        It is religion and not faith!
        -Jessie

      • Petrus Tong

        LGBT are already condemned so obviously, they want to put someone like khong along with them….typical of the twisted beings’ mentality! religion only get a bad name as for as freaky gay creatures like you are concerned, so who cares really!

    • TheConviction

      #Self-Righteousness #hypocrisy ….

      May the one with no sin be the first one to throw the stone

      • Petrus Tong

        but those who had sinned and are evil certainly will have stones throw at them definitely!

        • TheConviction

          So you wanna Try throwing the 1st stone … go be (that teacher of faith with hypocrisy)

    • Rightsandrongs

      Everyone needs to know what is right and wrong. They get this knowledge from different places, some from books, some from upbringing. Even if those people in the story you referred to never stoned the woman, does it mean what she did was right? It was just that the punishment was withheld.

      We all need to decide for ourselves and society whether it is right or wrong (if this means judgment to you, then I say judgment does not only belong to God).

      • TheConviction

        What the woman did wasnt right but what did Jesus say … GO and Sin No More… you are missing the point of what Jesus did

        • Rightsandrongs

          Ok, if you think so.

      • jessie

        It is a deep corruption in the human soul that makes us see the wrong in others
        and not in ourselves and we justify it as “right and wrong”. It is not our place to judge others. Minister in charge of Muslim Affairs has put it very well when he says everyone is welcomed to the mosque and we want to keep people included-that is the most important. We should not cause a separation in society.
        -Jessie

        • Rightsandrongs

          I’m not sure if you are actually replying. You sound like you are making new points. If so, no comments from me.

        • Petrus Tong

          it is also a mental sickness and disorder that people do not and will not accept that they are sick and their indulgence are filthy as well! yes, they are welcome in the mosque, but their lifestyle is still not welcome…

          • jessie

            Is this a confession?
            -Jessie

      • Madison Chua

        Taking another person’s life is wrong. You do not need any book to tell you that. Seriously, what is wrong with you? There are universal truths that transcends religion.

        • Rightsandrongs

          What is wrong with you? Have I said it is right? Don’t treat me as your make believe enemy, thank you.

    • flobert

      The same argument can be applied to pink dot, shame to those who support the movement.
      While Jesus did not specifically teach on homosexuality, his
      establishment of the Genesis passages as the fundamental passages on
      marriage, leaves no doubt as to the outcome.

      • TheConviction

        Wow Shame sia … Alrighty God so You have spoken ~~~

        • flobert

          After all, they are all human. We can support them, but cannot support the value of LBGT.
          They cannot choose as they are born this way.

          • TheConviction

            WOw twist of stand #SeemsLegit and you indirectly admitted to being god #OMG Like that also can #WinLiaoLor

            wait “They cannot choose as they are born this way.”

            So you wanna dictate how the should live their live ?

            What bible teach you… did you include the basic of free will??

          • flobert

            No, you can’t. They are just as they are.
            We accept as they are. This is their “norm”, not the majority “norm”

            Pardon me if I confuse you.

          • Madison Chua

            Majority must also respect the minorities.
            Should all minorities be worried by your draconian and totalitarian attitude towards society at large? The majority cannot and must not dictate the value and quality of life for the minorities. That is what human rights is all about. This is the 21st century. Feudalism has no place in Singapore.

          • Madison Chua

            Why not? Everybody has a choice. We are all allowed to love whomever we want and be allowed the chance of happiness. As long as it’s between consenting adults, as long as the relationship is consensual, I do not see how minding our own business is bad. In fact, it would create a world where it discriminates no one and welcomes everyone of value.

      • jessie

        All of Jesus teaching is to teach us how to correct ourselves so that our souls can go back to God. It is being able to accept others who are not like us and in giving that you can correct your souls. It is never, never in moralistic
        condemnation of others!
        -Jessie

        • flobert

          Jessie, yes, I fully agree with. But I just want to highlight the point that we can support people that are LBGT. If one is LBGT, there is nothing to ashamed of, not a sinners. But, not promoting the LBGT value.

          Just as a person with HIV, autism, we accept the way they are.

          God will still accept them before and after death.

          If a guy intends to marry a non human being, will you stop him or just tell “please go ahead”. Or will you promote such value to others that marriage is ok even with animals.

          Hope you understand my point.

          • jessie

            flobert, all of us are born with different consciousness. We are all God’s
            beautiful creation. What is a LBGT value? Why is your focus on this?
            Should we be focusing on the child molestation cases of the Catholic
            church or on their many missions of their Jesuit priests or on the work of Mother Theresa ?
            -Jessie

          • flobert

            How about you ?

          • jessie

            Sorry flobert, I don’t understand your question?
            -Jessie

      • jessie

        flobert, When you die and you leave your physical body, there is no more marriage and you are nobody’s husband or wife . You are saved only by God’s
        grace and your faith in him . So why are you caught up on moralistic issues which prevent you from accepting others?
        -Jessie

        • Petrus Tong

          well. at least they leave another human being behind to continue mankind…when gays and lesbians die, their generations die as well!

          • jessie

            So what? There are many heterosexual who do not have children.
            -Jessie

          • Madison Chua

            Petrus Tong, what about those individuals who do not have children, either because they cannot or choose not to?

            Not everyone was to have kids. Do their lives mean nothing? Are they less of a human being just because they have no children? What makes you think that, just you have kids, your kids will not pass on before you? Can you make sure your kids continue to have their own offspring? Again, you are so fixated that everyone is like you or think like you. Don’t you think our lives should be measured, not by how much we own or whether we have children, but by what legacy we leave behind. And legacy does not have to be children. Legacy could be the words, the thoughts you say while you are alive.

        • Madison Chua

          But jessie, you are assuming that there is a god. How can you prove the existence of a higher being, other than through sheer faith? I understand that you are speaking up for the LGBT community, but you mustn’t be pigeonholed by your own narrow minded views. Not everyone shares your faith and trust that there is a higher being. It may be shocking to you but this is a diverse world we live in. There are many faiths and many customs and practices. We cannot exclude everyone else, just to advance our argument.

          • jessie

            Agree with you. However it is my faith and belief and the heading on the
            article we are all commenting on is “Christians join Muslims…….in
            Pink Dot.” I am also not speaking up for the LGBT but am pointing out that Christ whom the Christians claim to represent would never allow
            condemnation as we are all sinners!
            -Jessie

          • Madison Chua

            Yes, but then that’s the mentality of Pastor Khong too. He feels justification in speaking (whatever those reasons are) against the LGBT community. He absolutely refuses to listen to rational and reasoning. He keeps harping on the doctrine of his faith and how it will jeopardise the family unit. As you had already posted above, he is not bringing credit to your faith. My point is: Keep discussions secular, or run the risk of ostracising others.

      • Petrus Tong

        actually, i don’t care so much about what religion think, I only think about what is normal and natural!

        • flobert

          That is good. Keep it normal.

          • Madison Chua

            Yes, but look around you. The world we live in is “unnatural”. Almost everything these days is synthetic; all manmade. The computer you are using, the cellphone, the signals, the lighting above you, the tables and chairs. All those do not come “naturally”. They are as unnatural as they can be. So are you sure you want to fixate on what is “natural” and what is “unnatural”?

        • jessie

          You think you are normal and natural? Ha, ha, ha
          -Jessie

        • Madison Chua

          Yes, but what is normal and what is natural is subjective. I know it’s shocking but there used to be a time when women were NOT allowed to work, to study and to read. Those are considered unnatural. Women are considered attractive when they are ignorant. And not too long ago, interracial marriages and relationships are considered abnormal and unnatural. “How can you mix races!” The detractors would say. But love is love. You cannot dictate what comes naturally. I don’t want to quote the animal kingdom because many people will say “But we are not animals!”. However, what is more natural than Mother Nature? So many fauna and flora practices homosexuality. Homosexuality exists in more than 450 species It is beyond natural. It is very commonplace.

      • Madison Chua

        So, other than the Bible and the Quran as the basis for these antagonistic feelings towards the homosexuals, do you have any other rational for your bigotry? Because IF you are going to start quoting the Bible, you wouldn’t like it when I start pulling out verses and passages from it to show how irrelevant (out of touch) it is in today’s 21st century world. Come on now, admit it. Other than what the Bible says, do you have any other basis for your homophobic rhetoric?

        • flobert

          Other than bible and other religions mentioned, I think the best answer is to ask your parents and grandparents.
          I rest my case.

          • Madison Chua

            So you do not have the ability to think as an adult?
            At your age, you still need to be coddle and fed opinions by your elders? My sympathies. I thought I was conversing with someone with the ability to formulate a credible opinion. Deepest condolences.

          • flobert

            I think you miss the point. Everyone has a choice and can choose the path that wants to take. However, how about the parents, family members, their reaction, their difficulty. The path one takes, has to bear the consequence, whether it is bad or good. Just like an addicted gambler.
            Anyway, as for LBGT, as long they are not promoting the value, lifestyle on others, it’s OK. If a person is born as LBGT, we have to accept them the way they are, they are not natural or odd, they are like everyone, normal human being.

          • Madison Chua

            If we all agree that the LGBT is like everyone else, then what lifestyle is there to talk about? They have feelings, needs, wants, desires and dislikes like everyone else. Simply put, they are human beings and should not be criminalized for loving another consensual adult, even if it’s the same gender. That is why there is a need to decriminalized 377A, a penal code that is no longer relevant in today’s society. That law was modified from an archaic law inherited from the colonial days of Singapore. If even the British have abolished it and admitted that their law is stupid, then why are we still retaining this discriminating law?

    • Opinions Matter

      Pastor Khong is questionable yes. But, I find it ironic that you would first say – “It is a shame that any Christian will follow Pastor Khong” followed by proclaiming that “Jesus Christ is and was against any condemnation of any segment of society.”

      It’s precisely this kind of self-contradictory highfalutin moral posturing that starts crusades.

      • jessie

        How is this self-contradictory?
        -Jessie

        • Opinions Matter

          You don’t see it? You judge those who are with pastor khong in his church, and in the same line, profess Jesus’s non-judgmental teachings.

          • jessie

            I am sorry that it has come across as judging ! I was merely highlighting
            that basic Christian teachings do not approve of segregating society !
            -Jessie

      • Petrus Tong

        pastor khong was merely reinforcing the government official stand on LGBTs after all…

        • TheConviction

          reinforcing the government so now lapdog of gov ??

    • Petrus Tong

      might as well include muslims, they still form the majority of the world populations, which means that those majoirty of the world population are evil and only filthy LGBTs like you are righteous…gosh, you freaks can really twist anything and everything to your advantages!

      • jessie

        What makes you think I am LGBT? You are the only freak on this post!
        -Jessie

  • Petrus Tong

    Yes, I am wearing white and so will be my family and all close friends…it is good that they know the significance of why we want to wear white over next weekend.

    • Ivan Bok

      To show support for the ruling party?

    • jessie

      Please read Matthew chapter 7 verse 1 to 5 and if you still dare to wear white please
      don’t say you believe in Christ!
      -Jessie

    • Petrus Tong

      Ivan, I wear white to let all those filthy freaky gay creatures know that we despise their abnormal and unnatural sexual fetish, and to let them know that we will push back their promoting of such freakish and filthy sexual preferences as a lifestyle in Singapore society. BTW, I am not a christian and I don’t have a bible to read…so spare me your twisted preaching, Jessie!

      • jessie

        If you are not a Christian why is my posting “twisted” ?
        -Jessie

        • Petrus Tong

          because I know christians don’t support deformed and freaky gays lifestyle…just like one of the archbishop’s comments in straits times!

          • jessie

            Really, now you who say, you are not a Christian are speaking for all
            Christians ?
            -Jessie

      • Rightsandrongs

        Do spare readers such strong language.

        • Petrus Tong

          sure, if the LGBTs stop promoting and spare us their filthy and freaky lifestyle!

          • SG foodie

            I thought I saw “PetrusTong” this nickname on Grindr…

    • SG foodie

      While you’re at it, wear a white pointy hood over your head too! :)

      • Petrus Tong

        not many have freaky fetish like you…you probably wear your mother’s underwear over your head i suppose! and stop portraying your desire to indulge in a freaky filthy abnormal and deformed sexual fetish is the same as racism…

  • http://www.henryhoe.com/ Henry Hoe

    first time muslim and christians want to work together to combat LGBT.

    • Ivan Bok

      Shows how unity can be fostered by finding a common enemy

      • jessie

        This is not unity but the devil at work!
        -Jessie

        • Petrus Tong

          just like how LGBT embraced satanism you mean?

          • jessie

            Talking about yourself again?
            -Jessie

    • jessie

      This is not their work! Christians have two commandments that we have to live by
      1. Love your God with all your heart , mind and soul .
      2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
      The second commandment includes loving all and here LGBT!
      -Jessie

      • Rightsandrongs

        What does loving all mean? It is easy to make such statements you know.

        • TheConviction

          What will Jesus do ? Throw the first stone ?

          • Rightsandrongs

            If you think so.

          • TheConviction

            Awwww thats so cutee… nope you fucking hypocrisy tard … he will fucking say go and sin no more

        • jessie

          In this context “loving,” will mean not to segregate!
          -Jessie

          • Rightsandrongs

            What about disapproval? Under your love all exhortation, is there room for disapproval?

          • jessie

            Disapproval isn’t condemnation but look what Pastor Khong brought out
            - Petrus Tong!

    • Menzuodao Pang

      Actually everyone of any religion or no religions should work together to combat special interests political power to the detriment of society.

      • TheConviction

        This I Will say AMEN to

        • Menzuodao Pang

          By that it also includes LGBT.

          • TheConviction

            damn Last minute add clause in #SeemLegit

  • dazzleworth

    Someone should go to the event and preach Christianity to the Muslim in attendance and Islam to the Christians in attendance. See how united they will remain.

    • jessie

      It will be a waste of time!
      -Jessie

  • jessie

    TOC, the first sentence “between two faiths,” should be “between two institutions,” as they adhere to a code of conduct of rules and feel that the Pink Dot event goes against this belief !
    -Jessie

  • dellusional

    is TOC riling up religious animosity by suggesting all christians and muslims are confrontational against pink dot, when clearly it’s only the stand of few individuals/groups (masquerading under their religious banner) who hold the homophobic sentiments?

    is TOC running afoul of their own moderation policy on religious harmony?

    seems like TOC can’t separate the deed from the act, the play from the stage. (claims to be fighting for cpf but writing lies, distorting data and scandalizing ppl anyone?)

    there is a very balanced approach to this issue written in a letter on TODAY.
    http://www.todayonline.com/voices/morality-should-be-shaped-all-spore

    i believe this could form the benchmark for social harmony in the future, for all mankind.

    • Menzuodao Pang

      Its not the few individuals or groups but society at large. PAP is playing a dangerous game here by kowtowing to Western influences.

      • dellusional

        #simisaiasopolitisai #freeyourmind #freemyinternet

    • Petrus Tong

      so despicable in trying to pull religion in to manipulatively portray LGBT are persecuted by religion…the fact is, LGBT is not a religion nor a race…it is a freaky lifestyle and indulgence of some abnormal and deformed being with an acute sense of mental illness, and both the christian and muslims community merely pursue singapore’s government official stand on addressing such mental abnormality and deformity!

      • jessie

        Your ignorance is showing!
        -Jessie

  • flobert

    Check the bible, Genesis 1:27, Genesis 2:18-25, Romans 1:27, Matthew 19:4, Mark 10:6, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
    God says so as according to Bible.

    • TheConviction

      you forgot many are called few will follow so how if they dont want to follow, gives people rights to slam the event ? Allow people to be God and judge ?

      • flobert

        This up to individual moral value if they want to support. No one can prevent the event from taking place.

  • flobert

    Marriage is a fundamental social institution that does not exist just for the emotional satisfaction of two individuals but for the greater good of the community which stands under the blessing or curse of God. Societies that put emotional fulfillment before right actions and principles will soon give way to a multitude of addictions and deep corruptions and collapse.

  • flobert

    Marriage is a fundamental social institution that does not exist just for the emotional satisfaction of two individuals but for the greater good of the community which stands under the blessing or curse of God. Societies that put emotional fulfillment before right actions and principles will soon give way to a multitude of addictions and deep corruptions and collapse.

  • SG foodie

    Oh. But I don’t believe in God and Allah leh … how?

  • jessie

    The state has laws. Singapore is a secular state. It is the right of any
    citizen to petition for change . It will be wrong for us to deny him or her
    this legal right.
    -Jessie

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