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Impose moratorium on death penalty and review position on mandatory death penalty – MARUAH

March 15
18:51 2012

~by: Braema Mathi / President, MARUAH~

MARUAH registers its deep concern that, for the second time in recent months, but for the timely intervention of the Court of Appeal, another man would have been hanged. [“Man on death row for trafficking acquitted.” ST 7 March 2012.]

The appeal judges ruled that it was unsafe to admit in evidence two confessions recorded from Azman bin Mohamed Sanwan by an Assistant Superintendent of the Central Narcotics Bureau, behind the backs of Azman’s two defence lawyers. 

The prosecutors of the Attorney-General’s Chambers had contended – and, the ruling of the High Court trial judge was – that the two confessions were made voluntarily. 

Azman had claimed that he made the two confessions because the senior CNB officer threatened to implicate his wife and promised him that he would be spared the death penalty, if he co-operated with the investigation. The appeal court was not convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the two confessions were obtained without any inducement, threat or promise. The appeal court set aside the death sentence.

Earlier, the appeal court also set aside the death sentence conviction of Ismil Kader. In that widely-publicised case, two statements were recorded from Ismil Kadar by a Senior Station Inspector in contravention of procedural requirements of criminal law as well as the Police General Orders. The appeal court ruled that the two statements should have been excluded from being admitted in evidence in court. Further, the appeal court mentioned that the prosecution was slow in making available to the defence, evidence favourable to the defence. Likewise, the appeal court set aside the death sentence meted out against Ismil.

That a death sentence conviction can be declared unsafe even though the prosecution was undertaken by experienced prosecutors, and the accused tried by experienced High Court judges gives much food for thought as to whether Singapore should impose a moratorium on carrying out death penalties. What if our appeal judges, unknowingly or inadvertently, also slip up?

The nature of a capital sentence is that it is irreversible.  Society can or may therefore agree with the use of the death penalty in good conscience, if and only if it is assured that executions will never be done in error. These two cases suggest that we can never be completely sure of the absence of error.

MARUAH therefore renews its call to the authorities to impose a moratorium on the death penalty and to review its position on the mandatory death penalty, if not the death penalty entirely. The nature of a conviction on a capital charge is that it is irreversible.


MARUAH is a human rights NGO based in Singapore. 

"Maruah" means "dignity" in Malay, Singapore'snational language. Human rights is fundamentally about maintaining, restoringand reclaiming one's dignity, and MARUAH strives to achieve this by working onnational and regional human rights issues. MARUAH is also the Singapore focalpoint of the Working Group for an ASEAN Human Rights Mechanism, which is officially recognised in the ASEAN Charter as an entity associated with ASEAN. 
 
More information on MARUAH can be found at www.maruah.org.
 
  • Cock & Bull

    Maruah, so you think it is ok to a serial killer to walk?

  • Cock & Bull

    Maruah, so you think it is ok to a serial killer to walk?

  • Not while LKY still around

    Mandatory capital punishment is inhuman and should be abolished.  It has never been shown that it has been an effective deterent against crime except for those caught committing a crime punishable by death.  Those who commit a crime should be rehabilitated, not executed.  
    Unfortunately, there is no chance of abolishing mandatory capital punishment while LKY is still alive.  But there is still hope because the end is near for him.   

  • Not while LKY still around

    Mandatory capital punishment is inhuman and should be abolished.  It has never been shown that it has been an effective deterent against crime except for those caught committing a crime punishable by death.  Those who commit a crime should be rehabilitated, not executed.  
    Unfortunately, there is no chance of abolishing mandatory capital punishment while LKY is still alive.  But there is still hope because the end is near for him.   

  • Believe it or not

    Most of Singapore's practices is at least 200 yrs behind developed countries.  Archaic laws, babaric punishment, policies based on myths & beliefs of few men or worse, just one man (instead of research), no protection for citizens, workers fight for jobs like in gladiator rings, infants still being fed gummy boiled to death rice (when there is already food processors to grind all sorts fo food) and many, many more.

  • Believe it or not

    Most of Singapore's practices is at least 200 yrs behind developed countries.  Archaic laws, babaric punishment, policies based on myths & beliefs of few men or worse, just one man (instead of research), no protection for citizens, workers fight for jobs like in gladiator rings, infants still being fed gummy boiled to death rice (when there is already food processors to grind all sorts fo food) and many, many more.

  • Rem

    I vote yes to the moratorium.
    I am sure there have been many cases where confessions were coerced from accused with low IQ or who knows no better than to believe their investigators when they signed a confession (with "promises") written for them … the same way they believed their drug masters into becoming drug mules. They have been lied to by people from both sides of the Law. Drug lords continue to get away scot-free and investigators who lied to their accused to elicit a "written" confession are protected by the office of the law as guiltless public servants.
    Who will help them in the end? Where is the justice?

  • Rem

    I vote yes to the moratorium.
    I am sure there have been many cases where confessions were coerced from accused with low IQ or who knows no better than to believe their investigators when they signed a confession (with "promises") written for them … the same way they believed their drug masters into becoming drug mules. They have been lied to by people from both sides of the Law. Drug lords continue to get away scot-free and investigators who lied to their accused to elicit a "written" confession are protected by the office of the law as guiltless public servants.
    Who will help them in the end? Where is the justice?

  • Justice, my Foot

    Mandatory capital punishment is applicable to foreigners only, To stop them from commited crimes in Singapore.. Sinaporeans are immune from prosecution…why the noises?

  • Justice, my Foot

    Mandatory capital punishment is applicable to foreigners only, To stop them from commited crimes in Singapore.. Sinaporeans are immune from prosecution…why the noises?

  • Mee_Siam

    The death Penalty esp. for Drugs got to be Removed ASAP. The idea was to Hang the Drug Lords but those who ended up getting hang are the couriers and the small time dealers which will be replaced tomorrow. PLUS it hasnt stopped the drug trade. Punishment of this kind ought to be stopped immediately as it doesnt stop nor Deter drug comsumption which fuels the supply.(Treat Addicts as Patients because they are indeed Sick people INSTEAD OF CRIMINIALS and then you can help them kick it off, Not throw them in a place Call DRC which is a Prison)
    Smoking Ciggarettes are Legal but not everyone does it unless you get into the wrong crowd or you are just too mentaility weak or you basically want to do it. This is part and parcel of life and Parents/Everyone else got to understand that if a person wishes to consume something toxic(Except Cannabis) it will be part of their life Story and that they have to live with it and hope for the Better. Treat them as Patients not Criminials, A person who Consume drugs and gets jail will only have more worriers and stress when he gets out and then he will go back to look for supplies. We got to change our mind-set on how we deal with Human-Beings because one day someone close to you might be on the wrong end of the Stick.

  • Mee_Siam

    The death Penalty esp. for Drugs got to be Removed ASAP. The idea was to Hang the Drug Lords but those who ended up getting hang are the couriers and the small time dealers which will be replaced tomorrow. PLUS it hasnt stopped the drug trade. Punishment of this kind ought to be stopped immediately as it doesnt stop nor Deter drug comsumption which fuels the supply.(Treat Addicts as Patients because they are indeed Sick people INSTEAD OF CRIMINIALS and then you can help them kick it off, Not throw them in a place Call DRC which is a Prison)
    Smoking Ciggarettes are Legal but not everyone does it unless you get into the wrong crowd or you are just too mentaility weak or you basically want to do it. This is part and parcel of life and Parents/Everyone else got to understand that if a person wishes to consume something toxic(Except Cannabis) it will be part of their life Story and that they have to live with it and hope for the Better. Treat them as Patients not Criminials, A person who Consume drugs and gets jail will only have more worriers and stress when he gets out and then he will go back to look for supplies. We got to change our mind-set on how we deal with Human-Beings because one day someone close to you might be on the wrong end of the Stick.

  • Lee Kim Chew

    It's so easy to call for a moratarium. Just  release a statement, words, words, words which no one reads.  Please be more pro-active, gather yor supporters, make a speech or two in Speakers Corner. Or distribute copies of your concerns to people in Raffles Place. This is one reason I admire the late JBJ, he would be there next to the MRT station selling his books or the Hammer. Get off your armchair, Maruah.

  • Lee Kim Chew

    It's so easy to call for a moratarium. Just  release a statement, words, words, words which no one reads.  Please be more pro-active, gather yor supporters, make a speech or two in Speakers Corner. Or distribute copies of your concerns to people in Raffles Place. This is one reason I admire the late JBJ, he would be there next to the MRT station selling his books or the Hammer. Get off your armchair, Maruah.

  • Ma Zhou

    We should believe in CSM, if you invest in the people the returns would be in multiple. By using CSM's concept if we believe in our population we should remove death penalty and we will get less crime eventually. So removing mandatory death penalty will eventually remove drugs related crime. Lets vote WP so we have a first world nation, lets free Singapore.
     

  • Ma Zhou

    We should believe in CSM, if you invest in the people the returns would be in multiple. By using CSM's concept if we believe in our population we should remove death penalty and we will get less crime eventually. So removing mandatory death penalty will eventually remove drugs related crime. Lets vote WP so we have a first world nation, lets free Singapore.
     

  • ♥ 2nd chance ♥

    VK is stupid and naive (typical teenager) but evil he is NOT!  Do you kill people for being stupid and naive?
     
    Having said that, if VK's dad is a tycoon, things would be different.
     
    ☻MDP is evil, VK is NOT evil.☺

  • ♥ 2nd chance ♥

    VK is stupid and naive (typical teenager) but evil he is NOT!  Do you kill people for being stupid and naive?
     
    Having said that, if VK's dad is a tycoon, things would be different.
     
    ☻MDP is evil, VK is NOT evil.☺

  • son of s

    The Ruling Party was far sighted enough to know that one day it has to use the Law to deal with the opposition. So more than 30 years ago it got rid of the Jury system. The reason being it is a waste of state resources.Without the Jury, the public will not know what goes on in Court. And what does go on in Court is sometimes very strange indeed.I was  witness in a case where each time the Court reporter goes out of the Court room the judge became a lawyer herself for one of the parties. During this period of the absence of the Court reporter the judge openly aided this party's lawyer in his questionings and even threw in a few questions herself.  When the  reporter returned she resumed her proper role as the judge..Without a jury, the only leak of what is going on in Court is the Court reporter. 
    The next advance is to vest  supernormal powers on the Attorney General. Today the AG instructs the prosecutor whether to continus to pursue certain perpetrators of crime or to stop pursuing them.. It is incredible that the AG is vested with such powers because what  information he has is secondary information and as in these Capital Punishment  cases described in TOC , the AG then proceeds to instruct who to pursue and who to stop pursuing. Such powers must have been conferred on the AG with the opposition political parties in mind. But today the AG uses these tools to run criminal cases and even Capital Punishment cases.
    To turn on or off the pursuit on an accused is virtually to make a judgment on him. at the source skipping over the investigations and the argumentation in Court and the whole legal- criminal process..  The AG who can tell by just reading notes, who is guiltuy and who is not must have a giant brain able to see through what ordinary mortals cannot see. I think the AG is simply made too powerful by his political masters.
    Looking at the trend here , one day soon, the whole Court system will be disbanded as a waste of public resources. One man can decide everything. The AG. 

  • son of s

    The Ruling Party was far sighted enough to know that one day it has to use the Law to deal with the opposition. So more than 30 years ago it got rid of the Jury system. The reason being it is a waste of state resources.Without the Jury, the public will not know what goes on in Court. And what does go on in Court is sometimes very strange indeed.I was  witness in a case where each time the Court reporter goes out of the Court room the judge became a lawyer herself for one of the parties. During this period of the absence of the Court reporter the judge openly aided this party's lawyer in his questionings and even threw in a few questions herself.  When the  reporter returned she resumed her proper role as the judge..Without a jury, the only leak of what is going on in Court is the Court reporter. 
    The next advance is to vest  supernormal powers on the Attorney General. Today the AG instructs the prosecutor whether to continus to pursue certain perpetrators of crime or to stop pursuing them.. It is incredible that the AG is vested with such powers because what  information he has is secondary information and as in these Capital Punishment  cases described in TOC , the AG then proceeds to instruct who to pursue and who to stop pursuing. Such powers must have been conferred on the AG with the opposition political parties in mind. But today the AG uses these tools to run criminal cases and even Capital Punishment cases.
    To turn on or off the pursuit on an accused is virtually to make a judgment on him. at the source skipping over the investigations and the argumentation in Court and the whole legal- criminal process..  The AG who can tell by just reading notes, who is guiltuy and who is not must have a giant brain able to see through what ordinary mortals cannot see. I think the AG is simply made too powerful by his political masters.
    Looking at the trend here , one day soon, the whole Court system will be disbanded as a waste of public resources. One man can decide everything. The AG. 

  • http://= marikitasemua

    MARUAH has as much teeth as my great grandmother (bless her) who is 98 years old.
    The gahmen is going to do what its going to do.
     All the bull about pleading for clemency from the President is BULL.  
    The gahmen will tell the President what to do.
    And the President will do it, collect his money and forget  about tthis case.

  • http://= marikitasemua

    MARUAH has as much teeth as my great grandmother (bless her) who is 98 years old.
    The gahmen is going to do what its going to do.
     All the bull about pleading for clemency from the President is BULL.  
    The gahmen will tell the President what to do.
    And the President will do it, collect his money and forget  about tthis case.

  • vonderful

    son of s, AGs in most countries have the same powers.

  • vonderful

    son of s, AGs in most countries have the same powers.

  • Lou Ja Boh

    We want TOC to push for social liberty, TOC is the voice of the people. Please have a roadmap for the following agendas:
    1. Remove ISA
    2. Repeal 377A
    3. Sunday off for maids, compulsory even if maid refuse.
    4. Remove death penalty.
    5. Allow same sex marriage.
    6. Allow maids to fall in love.
    7. Allow maids to apply for citizenship if they stay here long enough, like Hong Kong.
    8. Allow maids to bring home their sex partner.
    9. Parliament representative based on percentage of vote received. In this case 40% of the MPs should be from the opposition.
    10. Free media, TOC to allow free competition with ST or Media Corp.
    11. Allow smoking of Ganja.
    12. Let people freedom of smoking, everywhere and anywhere. This is truly human rights.
    13. Free all birds, they should not be in captivity.
    14. Ban sharks fins soup.
    15. Allow schools kids to keep long hair and have tattoo, this is human rights.
    16. No more school uniform, human rights too.
    17. Remove "race" in identity card, everyone just called Singaporean. Minimize racism.
    18. No more captivity of fish, they should be in the wild.
    19. Allow porn, this is human rights.
    20. remove all schools exam, exam only enhance elitism.
     

  • Lou Ja Boh

    We want TOC to push for social liberty, TOC is the voice of the people. Please have a roadmap for the following agendas:
    1. Remove ISA
    2. Repeal 377A
    3. Sunday off for maids, compulsory even if maid refuse.
    4. Remove death penalty.
    5. Allow same sex marriage.
    6. Allow maids to fall in love.
    7. Allow maids to apply for citizenship if they stay here long enough, like Hong Kong.
    8. Allow maids to bring home their sex partner.
    9. Parliament representative based on percentage of vote received. In this case 40% of the MPs should be from the opposition.
    10. Free media, TOC to allow free competition with ST or Media Corp.
    11. Allow smoking of Ganja.
    12. Let people freedom of smoking, everywhere and anywhere. This is truly human rights.
    13. Free all birds, they should not be in captivity.
    14. Ban sharks fins soup.
    15. Allow schools kids to keep long hair and have tattoo, this is human rights.
    16. No more school uniform, human rights too.
    17. Remove "race" in identity card, everyone just called Singaporean. Minimize racism.
    18. No more captivity of fish, they should be in the wild.
    19. Allow porn, this is human rights.
    20. remove all schools exam, exam only enhance elitism.
     

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    This is all extremely serious. Especially in a case the outcome of which is mandatory death, we have had police, AG, presecutors, and, indeed, high court judges being found to have lacked, not fine legal acumen of an arguable nature, but only ordinary commonsense of judging. Surely, anyone would straightaway see that "evidence" obtained under duress of police confinement, and the like, is suspicious and should never be admitted at all, especially where the penalty in question is so serious. It is commonsense that the more serious a case, the more care should be taken to ensure  eliminating any doubt of correct judgement.
    Has our "tough" judiciary, where cases have been weighted against defence, habituated our AG office, and even judges, to this sort of professional blindness?
    If so, then, thankfully, that hasn't infected the appeal judges. So now, what action should follow about police, AG and prosecutors, since their judgement isn't only about the the high court judgement, but also the capability of those personnel at the very task they are employed to do, ie. executing justice?
    And what questions does the present case throw up as to past cases, where people have been hanged, possibly on the basis of evidence also of like questionable nature?
    The strongest reason yet against capital punishment for even murderers is that in legal history, many executed had been found innocent subsequently. And that in jurisdictions elsewhere, where the system practised the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" more determinedly than we do here.
    So, isn't very, very dangerous for us here, to hang even those found in possession of that weightage of drugs? Unless we want to send the message to our people that we can be callous about other people's lives, as long as doing so would help preserve our safe and nice "garden city" and HDB neighbourhood?
     

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    This is all extremely serious. Especially in a case the outcome of which is mandatory death, we have had police, AG, presecutors, and, indeed, high court judges being found to have lacked, not fine legal acumen of an arguable nature, but only ordinary commonsense of judging. Surely, anyone would straightaway see that "evidence" obtained under duress of police confinement, and the like, is suspicious and should never be admitted at all, especially where the penalty in question is so serious. It is commonsense that the more serious a case, the more care should be taken to ensure  eliminating any doubt of correct judgement.
    Has our "tough" judiciary, where cases have been weighted against defence, habituated our AG office, and even judges, to this sort of professional blindness?
    If so, then, thankfully, that hasn't infected the appeal judges. So now, what action should follow about police, AG and prosecutors, since their judgement isn't only about the the high court judgement, but also the capability of those personnel at the very task they are employed to do, ie. executing justice?
    And what questions does the present case throw up as to past cases, where people have been hanged, possibly on the basis of evidence also of like questionable nature?
    The strongest reason yet against capital punishment for even murderers is that in legal history, many executed had been found innocent subsequently. And that in jurisdictions elsewhere, where the system practised the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" more determinedly than we do here.
    So, isn't very, very dangerous for us here, to hang even those found in possession of that weightage of drugs? Unless we want to send the message to our people that we can be callous about other people's lives, as long as doing so would help preserve our safe and nice "garden city" and HDB neighbourhood?
     

  • The Immortal PAP

    A Moratorium on the Death Penalty ..Ridiculous!
    The two cases cited shows the the laws in Singapore is fair and just. There is a process for appeal against judgement and this is applicable to any judgement.
    All convicted can apply to this process and there is no dereliction nor deficit of the law in Singapore.
     

  • The Immortal PAP

    A Moratorium on the Death Penalty ..Ridiculous!
    The two cases cited shows the the laws in Singapore is fair and just. There is a process for appeal against judgement and this is applicable to any judgement.
    All convicted can apply to this process and there is no dereliction nor deficit of the law in Singapore.
     

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  • Lockeliberal

    Fair comment
     
     
     
    Locke

  • Lockeliberal

    Fair comment
     
     
     
    Locke

  • Marko Ramius

    The death penalty has served us well.  
    Believe it or not, even citizens of developed countries view it as an effective tool to control the drug and murder problems they have in their country, regardless of what their constitution said.  I just came back from a 1st-world country where their no 1 addiction in school is DRUGS and not cyber-addiction.  I am thankful that my kids are safe in our society. 
    The fact that the judicial process had acquitted a condemned man only shows that our judicial process works: that is we do not send people to the gallows willy-nilly. 
    If we do not even have the stomach to send people to the gallows for the wrong they have done, then will we have the stomach to face the repercussions from a softer approach to handle drugs?  Or are we as a society to pay the price of supporting drug traffickers in their life time, thus removing the very deterrence of bringing drugs onto our land?

  • Marko Ramius

    The death penalty has served us well.  
    Believe it or not, even citizens of developed countries view it as an effective tool to control the drug and murder problems they have in their country, regardless of what their constitution said.  I just came back from a 1st-world country where their no 1 addiction in school is DRUGS and not cyber-addiction.  I am thankful that my kids are safe in our society. 
    The fact that the judicial process had acquitted a condemned man only shows that our judicial process works: that is we do not send people to the gallows willy-nilly. 
    If we do not even have the stomach to send people to the gallows for the wrong they have done, then will we have the stomach to face the repercussions from a softer approach to handle drugs?  Or are we as a society to pay the price of supporting drug traffickers in their life time, thus removing the very deterrence of bringing drugs onto our land?

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    Mr Ramius totally ignores questions of justice and compassion, caring only for "safety" for "my kids", not  being even aware of the moral hazards of their having to grow up in a place where their parents, etc. can "have the stomach for sending people (provided they are other people) to the gallows", whether fairly or not.
    So addicted he seems to be to only selfish pragmatism that he thinks it's all alright that the entire edifice of our administration of justice at all its levels up to the High Court  has been found, only on appeal, to have committed that commonsense a mistake in law, the result of which people would have been hanged. Indeed, he even says that "only shows that our judicial process works"!

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    Mr Ramius totally ignores questions of justice and compassion, caring only for "safety" for "my kids", not  being even aware of the moral hazards of their having to grow up in a place where their parents, etc. can "have the stomach for sending people (provided they are other people) to the gallows", whether fairly or not.
    So addicted he seems to be to only selfish pragmatism that he thinks it's all alright that the entire edifice of our administration of justice at all its levels up to the High Court  has been found, only on appeal, to have committed that commonsense a mistake in law, the result of which people would have been hanged. Indeed, he even says that "only shows that our judicial process works"!

  • Aris

    wow… I am thankful for quite a number of things in life.. I didn't know that translates to them being the ONLY things that I "totally" care about.

  • Aris

    wow… I am thankful for quite a number of things in life.. I didn't know that translates to them being the ONLY things that I "totally" care about.

  • Marko Ramius

    Dr Tan
    If you must know, when I mentioned "my kids", I was referring to children under my charge.  As to my profession, I shall leave it to your intelligent guess.
    And as to your perception that I was being selfish, I can only say that you behave like the typical TOC reader which pointedly fail to see other people's view and enforces negative characteristics on posters who may give alternative views.  If our judicial process did not work, would an appeal be even successful?   I wonder if in our Singapore's case history has there ever been an innocent man who was hanged?
    I do not like killing people but I do not discount the effects of what capital punishment can do to would-be offenders.  We should not be in a society where our safety is compromised in a quagmire of legal technicalities that seem to protect the people who just "do not like people hanged".  
    Our judical position is so clear that even an idiot would simply know this: "You bring drugs into this country, you will hang.  We just don't like drugs here.  You do, you hang"  Message is very clear at all ingress points of the country and continually reinforced among our population.  What moral position does the offender have if he trafficks drugs?  Why should we be compassionate to people who brings drugs here with the intention (or ignoring the consequences) of addicting our citizens (including your kids if you have any) for monetary gains?  What justice is there if your kid dies from an overdose?
    I think you sir, are the one who is oblivious on the concept of justice and compassion.

  • Marko Ramius

    Dr Tan
    If you must know, when I mentioned "my kids", I was referring to children under my charge.  As to my profession, I shall leave it to your intelligent guess.
    And as to your perception that I was being selfish, I can only say that you behave like the typical TOC reader which pointedly fail to see other people's view and enforces negative characteristics on posters who may give alternative views.  If our judicial process did not work, would an appeal be even successful?   I wonder if in our Singapore's case history has there ever been an innocent man who was hanged?
    I do not like killing people but I do not discount the effects of what capital punishment can do to would-be offenders.  We should not be in a society where our safety is compromised in a quagmire of legal technicalities that seem to protect the people who just "do not like people hanged".  
    Our judical position is so clear that even an idiot would simply know this: "You bring drugs into this country, you will hang.  We just don't like drugs here.  You do, you hang"  Message is very clear at all ingress points of the country and continually reinforced among our population.  What moral position does the offender have if he trafficks drugs?  Why should we be compassionate to people who brings drugs here with the intention (or ignoring the consequences) of addicting our citizens (including your kids if you have any) for monetary gains?  What justice is there if your kid dies from an overdose?
    I think you sir, are the one who is oblivious on the concept of justice and compassion.

  • DAS

    @Marko, What deterrence you talking about, Isnt there still drugs coming into Singapore.

  • DAS

    @Marko, What deterrence you talking about, Isnt there still drugs coming into Singapore.

  • Easy money for law makers, no diff to drug mules

    How can executing drug mules be a deterrence to drug lords??? If a drug lord care that much, he would do it themselves and not pick a vulnerable 17 yr old!
     
    Executing drug mules is a deterrence to drug mules (thta is if they are aware of it, not forced by circumstances, not coerced, not intimidated, not….) into Singapore, it is NOT a deterrence to drug lords or people behind the pushing, the real evil people who make lots of money and who make use of the vulnerable youngsters to be their mules.
     
    If policies and laws cannot be changed once set, there would not be developed countries! They would still be stuck in Roman times or Victorian times where people have heads cut off for treason. 
     

  • Easy money for law makers, no diff to drug mules

    How can executing drug mules be a deterrence to drug lords??? If a drug lord care that much, he would do it themselves and not pick a vulnerable 17 yr old!
     
    Executing drug mules is a deterrence to drug mules (thta is if they are aware of it, not forced by circumstances, not coerced, not intimidated, not….) into Singapore, it is NOT a deterrence to drug lords or people behind the pushing, the real evil people who make lots of money and who make use of the vulnerable youngsters to be their mules.
     
    If policies and laws cannot be changed once set, there would not be developed countries! They would still be stuck in Roman times or Victorian times where people have heads cut off for treason. 
     

  • son of s

    @Dr Tan Tal  Wel
    I can see you in my mind's eye shaking your head at the lack of commonsense in  people even those at the top  of the social hierarchy who are put in charge of our wellbeing as a Society. How does the judge accept confessions taken under duress about the culpability of another person apart from himself? How does the AG segregate into groups, those the police can pursue and those they are to stop pursuing? How does the police do their investigation, is it to ferret the truth or to get someone, the one that the AG has pointed out from the dark recesses of his chamber? I cannot see how we can rely on an Appeal Court to sort out such basic irrationality correctly every single time. I also suspect that the commonsense that fill these pages,  coffee shop talk, chance remark by grand aunt and the like must have jolted the appeal judges to see through the thicket of stupidity police, judges and the AG have descended in recent times. I cannot see that the Appeal Court in Singapore is the only Court that matters.
    How is it that well educated, well fed officials make such consistent attempts to defile the investigation machinery, cover up the true events all in effort to apply the Law in ways that are antisocial, unethical and downright devilish?
    My theory is that when this Government time and again diminishes the judges and others in the judiciary  who did not do what were expected of them for political expedience  has set the stage for calumny throughout the legal fraternity.
    So incarcerating people without a hearing, extracting King's ransom on embroidered defamation suits, startling payouts to top officeholders  etc have all contributed to  the loss of the  culture of integrity and ethical behaviour in key persons of society.
    Such persons have lost anchor. Democracy like truth is delusionary, justice is only for the powerful.
    The minds  of such persons have been infected by the Spirit of the Age which permeates the air. Nothing is imported except that I live well and earn more and more. For that I have to please the Powers that be.
    When such persons act in the community they create havoc. The problem of wrongly sending people to death does not only involve the Law. It involves the caliber and integrity of the people who man the police and legal apparatus. When the rulers are irrationally chasing their own well being, the lesser cadre follows and we are seeing the tip of the iceberg of mass  incompetence.
     

  • son of s

    @Dr Tan Tal  Wel
    I can see you in my mind's eye shaking your head at the lack of commonsense in  people even those at the top  of the social hierarchy who are put in charge of our wellbeing as a Society. How does the judge accept confessions taken under duress about the culpability of another person apart from himself? How does the AG segregate into groups, those the police can pursue and those they are to stop pursuing? How does the police do their investigation, is it to ferret the truth or to get someone, the one that the AG has pointed out from the dark recesses of his chamber? I cannot see how we can rely on an Appeal Court to sort out such basic irrationality correctly every single time. I also suspect that the commonsense that fill these pages,  coffee shop talk, chance remark by grand aunt and the like must have jolted the appeal judges to see through the thicket of stupidity police, judges and the AG have descended in recent times. I cannot see that the Appeal Court in Singapore is the only Court that matters.
    How is it that well educated, well fed officials make such consistent attempts to defile the investigation machinery, cover up the true events all in effort to apply the Law in ways that are antisocial, unethical and downright devilish?
    My theory is that when this Government time and again diminishes the judges and others in the judiciary  who did not do what were expected of them for political expedience  has set the stage for calumny throughout the legal fraternity.
    So incarcerating people without a hearing, extracting King's ransom on embroidered defamation suits, startling payouts to top officeholders  etc have all contributed to  the loss of the  culture of integrity and ethical behaviour in key persons of society.
    Such persons have lost anchor. Democracy like truth is delusionary, justice is only for the powerful.
    The minds  of such persons have been infected by the Spirit of the Age which permeates the air. Nothing is imported except that I live well and earn more and more. For that I have to please the Powers that be.
    When such persons act in the community they create havoc. The problem of wrongly sending people to death does not only involve the Law. It involves the caliber and integrity of the people who man the police and legal apparatus. When the rulers are irrationally chasing their own well being, the lesser cadre follows and we are seeing the tip of the iceberg of mass  incompetence.
     

  • son of s

    Nothing is important, except that I live well and earn more and more.For that I have to please the Powers That Be, with all my life and all my strength and all my ingenuity. I and only I have meaning in the visible world, the rest can go to hell.And I send who I want to hell with any means in my power. I am the Powerful.
    Is the credo of each of  the New Office Holder throughout the Land. 

  • son of s

    Nothing is important, except that I live well and earn more and more.For that I have to please the Powers That Be, with all my life and all my strength and all my ingenuity. I and only I have meaning in the visible world, the rest can go to hell.And I send who I want to hell with any means in my power. I am the Powerful.
    Is the credo of each of  the New Office Holder throughout the Land. 

  • Balance

    USA – Thousands of medical marijuana shops.
    Australia – Allowed to grow cannabis in-doors in certain states and only a Warning/Small Fine for possession.
    Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
    But here we hang someone for 500g of cannabis or Throws him in Jail for 1 year to 2years and spoiling his entire life for a Plant, A drug that has never killed anyone in history.
    Dont use "Protect my Child" as an Excuse, Because if he wants to do it, there are still plenty of small time dealers hanging around Singapore and Dont Blame others just because you Fail to Educate him/her or Because he himself wants to do it(We are Thinking Animals, That is why we sit on the very top of the Food Chain)
    "Medicinal use of cannabis is also legal in a number of countries, including Canada, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Israel and 16 states of the United States."
    Only Country left in the world to Use DEATH Penalty on Cannabis is – Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China and UAE.

  • Balance

    USA – Thousands of medical marijuana shops.
    Australia – Allowed to grow cannabis in-doors in certain states and only a Warning/Small Fine for possession.
    Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
    But here we hang someone for 500g of cannabis or Throws him in Jail for 1 year to 2years and spoiling his entire life for a Plant, A drug that has never killed anyone in history.
    Dont use "Protect my Child" as an Excuse, Because if he wants to do it, there are still plenty of small time dealers hanging around Singapore and Dont Blame others just because you Fail to Educate him/her or Because he himself wants to do it(We are Thinking Animals, That is why we sit on the very top of the Food Chain)
    "Medicinal use of cannabis is also legal in a number of countries, including Canada, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Israel and 16 states of the United States."
    Only Country left in the world to Use DEATH Penalty on Cannabis is – Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China and UAE.

  • Stop_Moderating

    "Medicinal use of cannabis is also legal in a number of countries, including Canada, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Israel and 16 states of the United States."
    Only Country left in the world to Use DEATH Penalty on Cannabis is – Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China and UAE.

  • Stop_Moderating

    "Medicinal use of cannabis is also legal in a number of countries, including Canada, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Israel and 16 states of the United States."
    Only Country left in the world to Use DEATH Penalty on Cannabis is – Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China and UAE.

  • Stop_it

    Australia, Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
    But here we hang someone for 500g of cannabis or Throw him in Jail for 1 year to 2years(Spoiling his entire life), A drug that has never killed anyone in history.
     

  • Stop_it

    Australia, Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
    But here we hang someone for 500g of cannabis or Throw him in Jail for 1 year to 2years(Spoiling his entire life), A drug that has never killed anyone in history.
     

  • Butoh_Moderator

    Australia, USA, Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
     

  • Butoh_Moderator

    Australia, USA, Italy, Swiss, England, New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Spain and more then 20 to 30 other 1st world/well known countries around the world sees Cannabis just like a Glass of Beer(Warning/Small Fine for possession) or allows you to take it for medical purposes. Lets not even talk about Holland.
     

  • The Empty Oppositions

    @Stop_Moderating
    Might I suggest you go live in one of those countries that allows use of even LSD where you can blow your little mind into outer-space.
    The death penalty for anyone caught in "POSSESSION" of 15g of illegal drugs must be imposed without question as a symbol of servere deterrent. Period!

  • The Empty Oppositions

    @Stop_Moderating
    Might I suggest you go live in one of those countries that allows use of even LSD where you can blow your little mind into outer-space.
    The death penalty for anyone caught in "POSSESSION" of 15g of illegal drugs must be imposed without question as a symbol of servere deterrent. Period!

  • You think you are clever huh?

    @ Empty
     
    No one is disputing that a severe deterrent is needed. In Sg's case, it is not only a any-o-how deterrent, it can be abused by authorities.  The drug lord do not need to possess the drugs, the mule does so how do you deter the drug lord (from trying again & again, out of 5 times, probably 1 get in)?  One judge decides, not a jury, o wait a minute, not even a judge! 

  • You think you are clever huh?

    @ Empty
     
    No one is disputing that a severe deterrent is needed. In Sg's case, it is not only a any-o-how deterrent, it can be abused by authorities.  The drug lord do not need to possess the drugs, the mule does so how do you deter the drug lord (from trying again & again, out of 5 times, probably 1 get in)?  One judge decides, not a jury, o wait a minute, not even a judge! 

  • F_LKYnPAP

    @Empty.
    Tell me which country allows LSD to be consumed, This is not school yard politics this is serious stuff, I suggest you keep your self-centered & Moronic comments to yourself and your friends.
    ""POSSESSION" of 15g of illegal drugs must be imposed without question as a symbol of servere deterrent. Period!" <—Its people like you that make Singapore a Police & Authoritarian. No wonder this country is so Sterile.
     

  • F_LKYnPAP

    @Empty.
    Tell me which country allows LSD to be consumed, This is not school yard politics this is serious stuff, I suggest you keep your self-centered & Moronic comments to yourself and your friends.
    ""POSSESSION" of 15g of illegal drugs must be imposed without question as a symbol of servere deterrent. Period!" <—Its people like you that make Singapore a Police & Authoritarian. No wonder this country is so Sterile.
     

  • PEOPLE ACTION BEDEK PARTY

    A JUDGE should have 100% Power to decide if he wants or doesnt want to send someone to the Hang-man, If the mandatory isn't removed, A Judge Can't Factor in Age, Reasoning, Morals and Compassion when Sentencing someone. The blood is not on my hands as Im 100% against D.P, The blood is in the Judges, CNB/Police officers and those who Agree to it, Its in Yours and Their Hands. People always ask for Forgiveness but not for Others.

  • PEOPLE ACTION BEDEK PARTY

    A JUDGE should have 100% Power to decide if he wants or doesnt want to send someone to the Hang-man, If the mandatory isn't removed, A Judge Can't Factor in Age, Reasoning, Morals and Compassion when Sentencing someone. The blood is not on my hands as Im 100% against D.P, The blood is in the Judges, CNB/Police officers and those who Agree to it, Its in Yours and Their Hands. People always ask for Forgiveness but not for Others.

  • Death Penalty is good

    Hooray to death penalty. Hip Hip Hooray. Thank God we have death penalty in Singapore. I love it

  • Death Penalty is good

    Hooray to death penalty. Hip Hip Hooray. Thank God we have death penalty in Singapore. I love it

  • The Hollow Opposition

    @You think you are clever huh!
    Because of the deterrent, one day no mule will work for the drug lords so they have to deliver the drugs themselves.  Then they will be caught and hang.
     

  • The Hollow Opposition

    @You think you are clever huh!
    Because of the deterrent, one day no mule will work for the drug lords so they have to deliver the drugs themselves.  Then they will be caught and hang.
     

  • The Shallow Incombents

    @Hollow
     
    It would be a deterrent if every single drug mule knows about the death penalty, is not young and naive, duped or coerced by the drug lord, or forced by circumstances. 
     
    This Yong Vui Kong's case is not even reported much in MSM.  Even if most of the mules are educated, papers reading brat, they will not know of the execution.
     
    There is no campaign about the death penalty with drug peddling, not esp in the Kampongs. So how would this execution send a message to the other would be mules?
     
     

  • The Shallow Incombents

    @Hollow
     
    It would be a deterrent if every single drug mule knows about the death penalty, is not young and naive, duped or coerced by the drug lord, or forced by circumstances. 
     
    This Yong Vui Kong's case is not even reported much in MSM.  Even if most of the mules are educated, papers reading brat, they will not know of the execution.
     
    There is no campaign about the death penalty with drug peddling, not esp in the Kampongs. So how would this execution send a message to the other would be mules?
     
     

  • Marko Ramius

    My goodness, my 2nd post has been once again been moderated and removed, thus effectively silencing me on this forum when I had written a rebuttal to our esteemed Dr Tan Tai Wei! 
    I can see it now. Power corrupts.  Let us just hope the moderators of the forum do not hold the reins of this country.  Reason clearly being the end of any openess in this country this forum is supposingly to expound (read their mission statement)!

  • Marko Ramius

    My goodness, my 2nd post has been once again been moderated and removed, thus effectively silencing me on this forum when I had written a rebuttal to our esteemed Dr Tan Tai Wei! 
    I can see it now. Power corrupts.  Let us just hope the moderators of the forum do not hold the reins of this country.  Reason clearly being the end of any openess in this country this forum is supposingly to expound (read their mission statement)!

  • mice is nice

    The Empty Oppositions,
     
    how effective is the symbol of deterrent? is there no new drug addicts in the lst 5 years? if there is, then MDP or even DP is ineffective.
     
    ………………………………………………………………………………
     
    The Hollow Opposition,
     
    interesting line of thought, its like expecting our ministers to do frontline work for a solid 6 months cos there is a short of manpower at the fronline. be it education, health, law, Home Team, SAF, always short of staff. lol…

  • mice is nice

    The Empty Oppositions,
     
    how effective is the symbol of deterrent? is there no new drug addicts in the lst 5 years? if there is, then MDP or even DP is ineffective.
     
    ………………………………………………………………………………
     
    The Hollow Opposition,
     
    interesting line of thought, its like expecting our ministers to do frontline work for a solid 6 months cos there is a short of manpower at the fronline. be it education, health, law, Home Team, SAF, always short of staff. lol…

  • son of s

    Three men comvicted to hang have  been saved at the Appeal Court.. What does it say about the Courts? What does it say about the judges in those Courts? What does it say about the AG who arranged before the hearings who to go for trial to hang?
    What a waste of State resources. Nobody is hanged.after hundreds of hours preparing to hang them. I will focus on the most important personage in this farce. The AG.
    If the AG  did not rule that certain  persons in each of these cases are not to be pursued, then the cases could be investigated comprehensively with the full dramatis personae and the  guilty could be identified with more certainty and the hanging verdict could not be so easily stopped at the Appeal Court. The strangest phenomena is why did the AG exclude certain persons from  being investigated and pursued at Court. leading to a limited police investigation and Court hearing.
    Can we the citzenry sit back and allow such a pack of incompetent officials try people for capital offenses? What if the Appeal Judges also become incompetent? Will we then hang the wrong people? That's why we not only need a moratorium on the Deat Penalty but to banish the death penalty altogether.
    The present criminal and legal set up is too stupid or too corrupt to handle Life and Death cases..

  • son of s

    Three men comvicted to hang have  been saved at the Appeal Court.. What does it say about the Courts? What does it say about the judges in those Courts? What does it say about the AG who arranged before the hearings who to go for trial to hang?
    What a waste of State resources. Nobody is hanged.after hundreds of hours preparing to hang them. I will focus on the most important personage in this farce. The AG.
    If the AG  did not rule that certain  persons in each of these cases are not to be pursued, then the cases could be investigated comprehensively with the full dramatis personae and the  guilty could be identified with more certainty and the hanging verdict could not be so easily stopped at the Appeal Court. The strangest phenomena is why did the AG exclude certain persons from  being investigated and pursued at Court. leading to a limited police investigation and Court hearing.
    Can we the citzenry sit back and allow such a pack of incompetent officials try people for capital offenses? What if the Appeal Judges also become incompetent? Will we then hang the wrong people? That's why we not only need a moratorium on the Deat Penalty but to banish the death penalty altogether.
    The present criminal and legal set up is too stupid or too corrupt to handle Life and Death cases..

  • son of s

    Three men comvicted to hang have  been saved at the Appeal Court in the space of a few months.. What does it say about the Court  decisions? What does it say about the judges in those Courts? What does it say about the AG who arranged before the hearings who to is to be tried and who should not be pursued further.
    What a waste of State resources. Nobody is hanged.after hundreds of hours of police investigations and Court hearings to finally arrive at the decision to hang the men. . I will focus on the most important personage in this farce. The AG.
    If the AG  did not rule that certain  persons in each of these cases are not to be pursued, then the cases could be investigated comprehensively with the full dramatis personae and the  guilty could be identified with more certainty and the hanging verdict could not be put aside  at the Appeal Court. The strangest phenomena is why did the AG excludes certain persons from  being investigated and pursued at Court. leading to a limited police investigation and a Court hearing ranging over a partial universe of discourse.
    Can we the citzenry sit back and allow such a pack of incompetent officials try people for capital offenses? What if the Appeal Judges also become incompetent? Will we then hang the wrong people all the time? That's why we not only need a moratorium on the Death  Penalty but we need to banish the death penalty altogether.

  • son of s

    Three men comvicted to hang have  been saved at the Appeal Court in the space of a few months.. What does it say about the Court  decisions? What does it say about the judges in those Courts? What does it say about the AG who arranged before the hearings who to is to be tried and who should not be pursued further.
    What a waste of State resources. Nobody is hanged.after hundreds of hours of police investigations and Court hearings to finally arrive at the decision to hang the men. . I will focus on the most important personage in this farce. The AG.
    If the AG  did not rule that certain  persons in each of these cases are not to be pursued, then the cases could be investigated comprehensively with the full dramatis personae and the  guilty could be identified with more certainty and the hanging verdict could not be put aside  at the Appeal Court. The strangest phenomena is why did the AG excludes certain persons from  being investigated and pursued at Court. leading to a limited police investigation and a Court hearing ranging over a partial universe of discourse.
    Can we the citzenry sit back and allow such a pack of incompetent officials try people for capital offenses? What if the Appeal Judges also become incompetent? Will we then hang the wrong people all the time? That's why we not only need a moratorium on the Death  Penalty but we need to banish the death penalty altogether.

  • son of s

     

    The legal system is found to be unsafe for deciding hanging. Death is an irreversible human condition.When a wrong hanging is performed nobody wil be charged with the mistake but may even be promoted  more quickly.. The judges will say, "I have relied on my co-judges and the prosecutor.." The AG will say, "the evidence to try the case more comprehensively  was lacking and so we hanged the wrong guy. Too bad. Lets move on."

     

  • son of s

     

    The legal system is found to be unsafe for deciding hanging. Death is an irreversible human condition.When a wrong hanging is performed nobody wil be charged with the mistake but may even be promoted  more quickly.. The judges will say, "I have relied on my co-judges and the prosecutor.." The AG will say, "the evidence to try the case more comprehensively  was lacking and so we hanged the wrong guy. Too bad. Lets move on."

     

  • loadda bull

    Human rights is about sympathising with criminals and terrorists and ignoring the plight of the victims.

  • loadda bull

    Human rights is about sympathising with criminals and terrorists and ignoring the plight of the victims.

  • I’m Singaporean

    Loadda Bull,
    Hmmm…. A very provocative thought. I need to ponder upon it more. Thank you.

  • I’m Singaporean

    Loadda Bull,
    Hmmm…. A very provocative thought. I need to ponder upon it more. Thank you.

  • loadda bull

    @ I'm Singaporean
    These groups have a so called good agenda….but they have been pervaded and distorted by the ultra left wing liberals who are more concerned about treating criminals and terrorists with dignity and forcing you to give them their 'rights' which they threw out the window with their criminal acts. They don't give 2 hoots about how the victims and their families feel. As far as they are concerned the victims have no rights.

  • loadda bull

    a lot of these so called human rights groups do not call 9/11 for what it is- an act of terror. They are more concerned about digging up some politically correct name for it.

  • son of s

    The  aunty at the night market, the sweeper of void decks, taxi drivers, tuition teachers, petty traders will all say that Yong's story is not the whole narrative. The story must include events at the very start from somewhere in Malaysia, where Yong got his supply of the drugs. Then Yong must know who to deliver the drugs to when he crosses into Singapore. These are nodes of the story and at these nodes other people must appear in the story. By shutting out a possible node to the story so completely ( Chia was discharged of 26 charges), leaves the story hanging in the air, incoherent, partial and incomplete.No deep legal theory is involved here. Only a matter of perceiving a continuous story line which surprisingly is not a faculty owned by the AG.
    If Yong is hanged, the AG ever after has to supply the connecting nodes of the narrative to the public. Of course he can be remain silent, his usual mode, or  hide behind the Establishment who nurtures  him and causes him to behave the way he does.He together with the Establishment will have to produce smokescreens thick and dark ever afterwards. Many such thick dark screens have to be erected over several Death cases.
    For the Yong case is not the only case where the AG intervenes with limitations on investigation, throwing irrational spanners into the flow of the narrative. Two other cases running parallel to the Yong case suffer from defects conjured by the AG. I wonder why he does these things.Is there a game plan, or  instructions or symbiotic attachments to interested parties?  At any rate, other judicial officials who do not have the immunity of the AG are afraid of carrying out Death Sentences on truncated narratives and so it came to pass that these three men from three separates cases, running almost parallel in  time were saved from the gallows at the Court of Appeal.

  • li biao chi

    Looked  sir  /  madam  ….. thks  the upright  fearless  expression  because  guilty  etc  cannot  break  country  ,  world into  pieces .  Today dated17 / mar / 2012 , I  was at  town area … people  from outside country  or  whoever  said  …  no let  him  run away . ???  Li  biao chi  was  seemed  lawlessly discriminated  etc  in  singapore  before >>>???>. IF  the police or PAP government  nothing to fear  ,  why  not  publish to let all people in singapore  ,  world  know  because  li biao  fearless upright  expression  hellloooo 2012  exposed  the   police  , prosecutor  evil true colour  , in  fact  e-mailed to  many  include  theonlinecitizen because  ….  the guilty  cannot  anyhow  lawlessly  say  ,  cannot   any how  lawlessly  framed up  ….resulted  either lawlessly  being  jailed  or  lawlessly  being  sentenced  to death …/??.  where  was  the proof  …???.           THis was  why  I   asked  direction  to Little  india  temple  to  pray  why  danger  terrorist  let  go  by  the  police  ,  no  need  to  jail . THE  LAW  FOR WHAT in  human  world  .???   Cannot   just   because  of the  police  , prosecutor  ,  PAP  government    ((**  for  eg  only  **))  evil wrong doing  ….. innocent  victim   were  targeted   as  scapegoat  etc  …  serious  Questionable  ….???.              ((**  upright sky  got a  very loud thunder  ,  LI BIAO  SPOKE LOUDLY  TO LET  MANY  PEOPLE  KNEW  ABOUT IT  because  the danger thing  to singapore was huge   impact  …caused   by the police .    DATED  17 /  MAR  /  2012 .

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    Mr "Bull", even if hanging drug pushers were in any way effective at alleviating "the plight of their victims", does that mean we should do so, nevermind if it is unfair and disproportionate punishment? Would you also say that all other criminals who put their "victims" in some "plight" should be denied their rights to justice, if not compassion, and could also be hanged, and you wouldn't care less about that? So, victims of assault, vandalism, car accidents, etc, could also have their plight alleviated by hanging those who who caused it, and that would be all right with you? If that would not be right to you, and you would want to discriminate fairly according to the severity of each case, then please note that we, who dispute the fairness of hanging drug pushers, have been doing precisely what you would yourself do by wanting to so discriminate.

  • son of s

    The  aunty at the night market, the sweeper of void decks, taxi drivers, tuition teachers, petty traders will all say that Yong's story is not the whole narrative. The story must include events at the very start from somewhere in Malaysia, where Yong got his supply of the drugs. Then Yong must know who to deliver the drugs to when he crosses into Singapore. These are nodes of the story and at these nodes other people must appear in the story. By shutting out a possible node to the story so completely ( Chia was discharged of 26 charges), leaves the story hanging in the air, incoherent, partial and incomplete.No deep legal theory is involved here. Only a matter of perceiving a continuous story line which surprisingly is not a faculty owned by the AG.
    If Yong is hanged, the AG ever after has to supply the connecting nodes of the narrative to the public. Of course he can be remain silent, his usual mode, or  hide behind the Establishment who nurtures  him and causes him to behave the way he does.He together with the Establishment will have to produce smokescreens thick and dark ever afterwards. Many such thick dark screens have to be erected over several Death cases.
    For the Yong case is not the only case where the AG intervenes with limitations on investigation, throwing irrational spanners into the flow of the narrative. Two other cases running parallel to the Yong case suffer from defects conjured by the AG. I wonder why he does these things.Is there a game plan?  At any rate, other judicial officials who do not have the immunity of the AG are afraid of carrying out Death Sentences on truncated narratives and so it came to pass that these three men from three separates cases, running almost parallel in  time were saved from the gallows. .

  • ISD

    DO NOT NEED TO TALK SO MUCH, YOU DO DRUGS, YOU DIE AND IF YOU GET MORE THAN YOU COULD HANDLE, YOU DIE, NOT HAPPY, THEN BE A GOOD BOY, AND IF YOU OUT THERE SO "HERO" WANTING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE WHO BRING DRUGS TO DESTROY OUR SINGAPORE, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME FORWARD TO BE IDENTIFIED AS 'WITNESS' AND DO NOT HIDE BEHIND THIS BLOG…SO SINGAPORE DOES HAVE DEMOCRACY FOR YOU TO SHIT HERE EVEN QUESTION THE ONUS OF RULE OF LAW ESPECIALLY FOR DRUG DEALERS AND CARRIER, TRY THIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THOSE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD DEALS WITH DRUG CARRIER, SHUT UP!! PERIOD AND IF YOU CALL LIKE TRYING TO PLAY OR EVEN CHALLENGE TO CARRY, DO IT! BUT DO NOT LET ME CATCH YOU ALL CUZ, FOR ONE SURE THING, WE WILL HANG YOU ALL AND ALL YOUR ACCOMPLICES!!!
     
     

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  • Kickass

    ISD
     
    Beautifully said, you got the balls to hang Chia (Yong's boss)?
     
    loada bull
     
    The difference between Yong and You is only in paper qualification (I won't even call it education).  Go figure that one out.
     
    If you, loadda bull, get caught with drugs, you deserve the severest of punishments, just like Chia but NOT Yong. 
     
    Those who are rational will understand what I am saying.

  • loadda bull

    Wah u resorted to personal attacks ah? It's ok I've dealt with little girls like you before. The law is explicit regarding the penalties.  countless lives are ruined because of drugs. 
    My main grouse if you have even read my points are the hypocritical nature of these human rights groups. People like george clooney who are no more than self  righteous attention seekers.

  • Entering the Fray

    loadda-bull, You keep failing to understand what people are trying to say, Most likely because you suffer from self-centerednes and just too head strong to other opinions.
    Yes, Drugs ruin lives BUT people themelves want to do it and there is nothing you can do about it. UNDERSTAND THIS, AS LONG AS THERE IS DEMAND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SUPPLY. Capital punishment will not deter drug consumption nor stop it. Its still going strong.

  • Entering the Fray

    loadda bull-
    On the 911 thinggy you said – Human Right activist are trying to seek the truth as there seem to be many gaps in the whole incident, People like you will always remain dumb because you never question anything, You just repeat what the Media and politicians say to you without thinking yourself- Stop being so Naive and self-centered. Listen to other people's opinion and come to your own conclusion instead of being too head-strong.

  • Entering The Fray

    ISD – What a load a crap are you spurting out? Dont compare how Developed countrie deals with drugs with Singapore, Cos they Dont hang Barbaric drug laws like Singapore, The only Countrie that have Barbaric drug laws like Singapore are 3rd world countries etc. Indonesia, Malaysia, China and Certain Middle Eastern Countrie. Singapore calls it self 1st world country but it still have 3rd World Mentaility. Look at the Population and tell me if they can be considered 1st world. The only thing 1st world is the Buildings, Facilitie and Technology, The people are still like you, Barbaric and Low Class.

  • no brain

    I simply do not mind barbaric laws like hanging. SO long as perpetuators bring drugs into Singapore, they deserved to be hanged in a first world country like Singapore.
    We need these tough laws to hang all these  family wreckers. Please continue to hang every single one of these traffickers regardless of circumstances.
     
     

  • son of s

    @no brain, some are too big  to hang.

  • Dr Tan Tai Wei

    Let's be thorough at tracing responsibility for the drug problem, including asking who have  maintained this "tightly knit society" all these years where fear of all sorts, (LKY: "if I am not feared, then I am insignificant"!) politics, jobs security, chasing the carrot, avoiding the whip, working till very late every night etc. etc, have robbed all, young and old, of their meaning in life, so stresssed that, if not suicide, then drug mighty be the only relief. So, the very man who I think led countries in this region to have that death penalty could be the one ultimately responsible for creating this huge market for drugs. That trfficker he hangs is in any case only the last straw that broke the camel's back when making drugs available to the "victims" is concerned. Who else should we hang?
    By the way, I was in Malaysia last week and read that they were considering abolishing the death penalty for drug trafficking, And we know that they have done away  with their ISA, and we just read that "minimum wage" is on there too.

  • In Your FACE

    @Dr Tan Tai Wei.
    Yes, Malaysia is going to Remove the Death Penalty and also bring in Min-Wage yet we are still in the dark ages. Anyways its a very difficult fight to remove it here because the population here is more Ruthless and Self-Centered, Malaysians are far more Open Minded and Sesentive then Singaporeans and much more Caring and Understanding unlike Singaporeans who are known around the world to be Egostics, Cowards, Narrow Minded, Low Class AND Self-Centered. Look at home Singaporeans are Treated like Dogs by their Government, Only Peasants get treated like that, No wonder they also have Peasant Mentaility.

  • Bound feet western dress

    "The only thing 1st world is the Buildings, Facilitie and Technology, The people are still…."
     
    These are designed and developed by architects, engineers and Scientists from 1st World countries, not Singaporeans.  I watched a tv documentary "Pool of Infinity" (MBS). If you do not know where that is, you might think it is somewhere in Europe or USA.  The team of people behind it are all ang mos.
     
    Lots of lives are also ruined by gambling, instead of hanging casion operators what does the Govt do?  They invite them here, let them build on prime land, even support the busineness with buses.  <strong>Loadda bull </strong>indeed!

  • Bound Feet Western Dress

    "The only thing 1st world is the Buildings, Facilitie and Technology, The people are still…." –  Entering the Fray
     
    These are designed and developed by architects, engineers and Scientists from 1st World countries, not Singaporeans.  I watched a tv documentary "Pool of Infinity" (MBS). If you do not know where that is, you might think it is somewhere in Europe or USA.  The team of people behind it are all ang mos (and the patrons too, but the curious look-see visitors are locals).
     
    Lots of lives are also ruined by gambling, instead of hanging casino operators what does the Govt do?  They invite them here, let them build on prime land, even support the busineness with buses. Loadda bull indeed!

  • loadda bull

    All of you are singing the liberal hippy mantra. Yeah some of you dim.wits still believe the 9/11 conspiracy theories purported by such investigative "geniuses" like Michael "left wing" Moore and the drugged up Charlie sheen.
     
    Who sounds empty headed and believing in fantasy now?

  • Saycheese

    For CNB, catching and getting a conviction for a drug mule is taking the easy way out, almost as easy as the NEA officer booking the smoker who improperly disposes his cigarette butt.

  • lIberal hippy

    Hi, I am both a Liberal and a Hippy and Damn PROUD OF IT.

  • loadda bull

    No wonder you support lenient drug laws.

  • son of s

    Yong is surely just a cog in the wheel. Hanging him obliterates whatever evidence there is against Chia or if not Chia somebody else. Should we burn all evidence for the sake of the hanging imperative?

  • mice is nice

    where public good is concerned, there is necessary evil & there is lesser evil. laws for MDP for drug offences were drafted at a time when drug abuse was demographically different from today. 
     
    not updating & not keeping laws abreast with times can mean laws that perpetuate MDP is just plain evil. because it is neither effective in breaking the drug supply chain nor doing the public any good by targeting traffickers unfairly harsh while drug abuser & addicts undergo rehab.

  • Medical Marijuana

    Legalize Marijuana and Remove the Capital Punishment on Cannabis.

  • lIberal hippy

    loadda-bull -
    Im not lenient on certain drugs but i do Respect other people's live and believes in 2nd Chances. Like many people pointed out, Capital Punishment does not deter drugs from being consumed which fuels the supply.

  • Little girl

    My comment is awaiting moderation, hope it will appear. 

  • loadda bull

    Does not stop totally i agree…..but prob significantly reduces the amount that would otherwise be brought in.

  • Little girl

    @loadda bull

    You guess is as good as anybody's that the MDP can "significantly reduce the amount that would otherwise be brought in", it is still a myth that is not possible to verify scientifically. Therefore you are talking about knowingly killing a person on very shaky ground and therefore me, a little girl do not think is a good idea.

  • lIberal hippy

    Nope THE D.P does not reduce the amount brought in as the demand for drugs is still there, Give credit to the CNB for controlling the scene AND also thank the Informants and those who vomit out information when Caught, The scene would be much worst without this People. The D.P was established to Hang Drug Lords but Small timer dealers and Village idiot Couriers got the Wrath of it instead.

  • Liberal Hippy

    @Medical Marijuana
    Hi, I noticed many countries are very easy going on Cannabis, When i was studying in australia, You would always smell cannabis in the Air whenever you are at the Beach, Australians have very Liberal views on Cannabis, Its a pity that its a Class A drug with Capital punishment attached to it.
    Guys – Go to Youtube and Type Cannabis Documentary. You would be amazed!!! Also Type Medical Marijuana and be equally amazed by the Medicinal qualities, Seems like it helps with lots of CRONIC illeness like Pains to Controlling you fits and works better then Pills issued by Doctores.

  • loadda bull

    Hippy,
    I am currently unfortunately paying silly money and studying in australia as well. I have friends who are regular users of that and they look stoned as s*it most of the time. Their speech is slurred and their reactions are somewhat retarded.

  • conspirator

    LISTEN UP GUYS! there is more than meet the eyes regarding this case and just do not point blank figure at Singapore Judiciary or Police "system" regarding this Yong case…there is a deeper story and yes, while lay man like ALL OF U blog, talk & even taunt at the slight of having this man hanged, think deep, if ANYONE of your family doing drugs are force to vice, such like even prostitution just to get a KICK, what say u…the mention of Chai and the deeper story, go search or check it if u could, ask Revi, as to why the prosecutor intend to 'thumb' on Yong, did u not know that he was given a CHANCE to name and speak up the truth about the "mastermind" yet he chose not to 'pick' Chia up and indeed also, "let him go" denying on BEHALF that he has anything to do…do your homework and in any case, regardless of the "master mind" you all asked why not hanged them?! Sure we will if we have enough evidence and proof and is this stupid mules who are missing the bullet, they intend to hide, defend and also "protect" these guys in the name of FEAR AND MONEY cuz, they are given hell lot for going to the gallow! the story has deeper end and ALL OF U ARE LUCKY THAT YOU DO NOT DO DRUGS, PARTAKE OF THE TRADE AND OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SYSTEM TO DETER THESE BASTARDS FROM RUINING OUR LIVES…do you want another onslaught of FT bringing drugs to Singapor and you will all stand up in the name of "justice" to fight for their release, do not be double standard!

  • Liberal Hippy

    loadda bull.
    Looks like they are having a Good time, That retardeness goes away after the weed wears out, They look stoned as sh*t most of the time cos whenever you see them they have already smoked it, And what you expect when someone consumes a Product? Look Fine and dandy? When a person consumes alchol or coffee wont their behaviour change too? Think abit more deeper before you talk.
    You ought to GET some from them so you can stop being such a Hard-Ass. And Btw what type of Singaporeans are going to Australia now? During and Before my time, All Singaporeans i knew in Australia were having a Ball of a time and were very Open minded people. Guess a New-Generation now. How Sad.

  • Little girl

     
    @loadda bull
     
    Let me this 'little girl' or 'hippy liberal' or 'dim-wit' show you my reason, unless you are man enough and educated enough, you will not read and keep shouting 'hang the boy':-
     
    This has been recycled many times but no choice, got to repeat it for your sake:  There is a possibilty that Yong did not know the devastating effects of the substance he was carrying, was duped by the pusher into believing it was ok, was lured by the relief he could bring to his family especially his mother, all these bearing in mind he was only a teenager, barely educated and totally on his own with no guardian.
     
    Now consider yourself, this is not about getting personal, it is to show you what is right and wrong. You are of age (as you called me little girl, uncle perhaps), you are supposed to have wisdom, to know what is right and wrong and to know what is fair trial in the 21st century judiaciary (you sound schooled) yet YOU REFUSE ANY REASONING. When I close my eyes, I could just hear you shouting "just hang the boy, hang him, kill him, kill him" like the spectator of olden day public execution.
     
    If you are not educated you could be forgiven to think that anyone who is dragged to the gallows must be guilty just like anyone who is found to possess the drugs must be hung (because s/he has intention to take lives and wreck families).
     
    Do you expect me, a little girl, to follow your eg, to ignore reasons and to knowingly take a young man's life? If Sg has "role models" like you leading the country, of course Sg is heading nowhere.
     

  • Liberal Hippy

    Seems like there are two Camps here, The Liberal and Facist/Authoritarian and Those who Blame everyone else when they failed to Educate their own Children and those who blame others for the mistake they or their love ones have committed.  All humans are smart enough to make their own choice and if you are not Retarded you cant blame no one.

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  • Kudos to Ravi

    A country then throws out Hundreds out Law Students every year and Has only 1 Human Rights lawyer says alot about the Society.

  • Kudos To Ravi

    A country —>>>that <<<<—(Correction) throws out Hundreds —>>>of<<<<—–(Correction) Law Students every year and Has only 1 Human Rights lawyer says alot about the Society.

  • mice is nice

    conspirator,
     
    if there is enough evidence to incriminate the druglords? the hard hitting evidence isn't going to fall from the sky & land on the table of the judge.
     
    if the drug traffickers have something to fear from the druglords, isn't it reason enough to act on them? like i fear it will rain when i go out, so i bring an umbrella (to avoid getting caught in the rain). fear can be a force for good, but one must conclude the fears are real in this case to allow a lesser sentence.
     
    maybe fear is the reason that MDP was drafted, the fear it wrecks lives, not just of the individuals, but their families & communities. but is it still working as it should? what if the fear no longer haunts them?

  • loadda crap

    If you make an exception now, what signal will this send? The precedent will be set and potentially the floodgates would be opened for drug mules to come in en masse and claim ignotance of the law. Perhaps some on the extreme left are taking the stability and civil rule of law for granted? The government has it's flaws and how….but I believe they got it right with the DP.

  • loadda crap

    It does not surprise me that hippies like yourself are extolling the virtues of smoking weed. From what you have been droning on thus far, it is evident that you have done one joint too many. Btw Auz is quite a c*aphole.

  • liberal Hippy

    -loadda Crap
    What makes you say Aus is a Craphole? No Friends? Alone always? Getting Bullied? Stop being so self-centered maybe you will get a friend or two and have a good time there.

  • liberal Hippy

    I dont smoke Weed nor ever taken drugs by the way because I have asthma but i have met lots of weed smokers while aboard, They and what they are doing are alright in my book unless Your talking about hard drugs like xtc, herion or Meth then Im Not ok with it.

  • loadda bull

    Ahhh I see….being lenient toward drug peddlers is very public spirited and selfless. An insight into the far left mind. Fascinating.

  • Liberal Hippy

    There is no black market in beer. It is relatively cheap and easy to obtain, for adults, but difficult for children. Prohibition increases childrens' attraction to marijuana; the "forbidden fruit" is always sweeter.

  • loadda bull

    very well then…lets start legalising the right to bear arms. After all, the ban on firearms makes them oh so much more desirable. Maybe the spate of violent shootings that are rampant in Singapore at present will stop once we start legalising guns.

  • Liberal Hippy

    Im defiantly not up for making it legal either but I would like to be another options for people seeking to use it for medicine. And before you open your mouth, Please go to Youtube and watch a few videos on Medical Marijuana 1st.
    And by the way, I believe that every human being should have the right consume anything without being dictacted, End of the day, You are not going to put food in their mouth when they are hungry, You are not going to pay for their medical nor are you going to their funeral, So dont dictact other people's life. Everyone is responsible for himself. Are you going to give them a job if they are unemployed and will you feed his family if they are hungry?

  • son of s

    Chia  has a prior case of drug smuggling with another mule Koh and so is not virginal with the AG.. For reasons unknown he never stood trial for any charges. It is the same for the Yong case, Chia is discharged of 26 charges.  In the Yong case however we have a glimpse of the deep structure of the Law as practised in this Island State. It won't be long when the populace have no respect for the system, but it will take a while, in terms of years for the International Community to recognise Singapore as a hub where money or connections can wipe away guilt of any kind, even the Capital kind.
     
    The connections of Chia and the AG who controlls the prosecutor are  embedded in thick layers of  the  mantle of the " Law.". Why should Chia be so protected by the custodians of the Law  is a question which will reverberate in the corridors of human memory whether Yong is finally executed or not. If at all, Yong's execution will concentrate the mystery of Chia's connection with the top  powers of Singapore.

  • son of s

     

    When Chia is not charged  again and  put on trial Yong will never hang. The officials protecting him will not risk the public becoming more and more certain of some sordid connection between Chia and the judiciary. Questions like why 26 odd charges against Chia  was discharged so cleanly leaving not a trace behind;  why Chia even when fully accursed by Koh and pointed out by Yong is still regarded as not tainted enough to be investigated and  tried;  it appears that  even his wife is known to have dealings with drugs and why no weight is put on the possibility that drug dealing is a family affair, a way of life with Chia and so on.
    To hang Yong requires that the AG has to explain why the fact that Chia was actually charged with  trafficking an amount of  heroin that triggered the death sentence and that traficking was to Koh was deemed irrelevant to the Yong case.. To an ordinary mind, this is significant information and should be very high in the scale of relevancy in any drug related case such as Yong's where Chia figured again. To hang Yong, requires the AG to explain all these and moreover to reveal all other supposedly irrelevant charges and information about Chia and his wife.. My guess is that the Powers will not want to risk opening up layers of "irrelevant" facts about Chia. which will cause a major shift in public opinion about how the Courts are run by the AG. So Yong will never be hanged. Not in the Internet Age, where miraculously the citizenry, myself included could get so much information of a proposed hanging. The cat is nearly fully out of the bag. It will not be allowed to run away because the public has become aware of the cat.                                

    To carry on with hanging Yong, when so much is already known about Koh and Chia before him, is tantamount to concealing and destroying State evidence against Chia. The State would have to bear that burden of doubt and if there is ever a chance ( a change of rulers)  to try the officials who brought about such a cleansing of State evidence, these officials will be  put on the stand by public demand..

     

  • son of s

    A  State concession such as a   moratorium  of  mandatory death sentence will be considered weakness in this touch minded and merciless legal environment. So long as the public comes to know the facts of each hanging, death sentences will not so easily roll off the tongue of the judges. We as a society must have long memories and  be prepared to take them to task as soon as the earliest opportunity ariises such as a change of  the one party rule.

  • son of s

     
    Before the Internet Age, mules like Yong would have swung long ago with the public knowing nothing except that the Government is doing a good job of clearing the State of its Enemies. But now some pertinent  matter seeps out to public knowledge. It seems there is a man and wife, directing mules , todate the mules coming to light are Koh and Yong. He to the horror of most ordinary citizens have been discharged of all 26 charges he had originally been charged with, by the AG. It seems a complete U turn  made by the custodians of the  Law in Singapore. Must have been a formidable force which can turn back a tide so strong as 26 charges. I can;t even be forgiven a single traffic offense. This is the mystery of Mysteries which in the Internet Age will persists in drips and draps long after Yong is gone. This side information will turn out to be the most important facet of the case, for it tells of a  controlling interest in the Yong case far more intriguing than Yong and his activities can ever be. It promises to tell of an organization, maybe comprising of just this married couple Mr and Mrs Chia, maybe a consortium of like purposed men and women planning and plotting behind the scene , seemingly immune to the the process of Law because working with the denizens of the Law.
    Of  course you cannot get the AG to speak. He is too great for that. At any rate he is a denizen of those who need not speak, SILENCE being their watch word. So the citizenry have to churn outs its own theory of this strange phenomenon about an accessible nearby   galaxy ignored in the neighbourhood of a minor star, Yong Vui Kong.
    Hopefully we can break the SILENCE soon because there is a break in the continued rule of this bunch of elites. If not the rumour of the nearby galaxy will reverberate in the minds of the citizenry down the cyber corridors of  time.
    One thing will arise in the Hall of SILENCE.The call to Officials that no more mules will be caught,  not to say  hung because the Druglords cannot be implicated so dangerously close again. Then Singapore will spiral down to become cousins of countries that grow rich on the drug trade. maybe a boon to the GDP and the Ministerial salaries.
    Protecting drug lords is a narural brake to the mandatory death sentence. So long as the citizenry stays awake to know which chicken has been chosen for slaughter each time, the slaughtering itself will grind to a halt. Because sooner or later , the citizenry will want something more interesting than mules.

  • son of s

    Protecting drug lords is a narural brake to the mandatory death sentence. So long as the citizenry stays awake to know which chicken has been chosen for slaughter each time, the slaughtering itself will grind to a halt. Because sooner or later , the citizenry will want something more interesting than mules For variety and excitement they want their handlers.

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