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Mr Lee Kuan Yew's response to wikileaks' claim

September 05
11:26 2011

the following is a media release from the Press Secretary of Mr Lee Kuan Yew, on Mr Lee’s behalf:


Wikileaks released a cable by the US Embassy in Singapore reporting on the visit of Senator Hillary Clinton to Singapore in Jul 2005. The cable claimed that in my meeting with Senator Clinton, I had “characterized Islam as a ‘venomous religion’”.

This is false. I looked up MFA’s filenote of the meeting. Nowhere does it record me describing Islam as “venomous”, nor did I say anything which could have given that impression.

I did talk about extremist terrorists like the Jemaah Islamiyah group, and the jihadist preachers who brainwashed them. They are implacable in wanting to put down all who do not agree with them. So their Islam is a perverted version, which the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Singapore do not subscribe to.

I also pointed out that our Muslim leaders are rational, and that the ultimate solution to extremist terrorism was to give moderate Muslims the courage to stand up and speak out against radicals who have hijacked Islam to recruit volunteers for their violent ends.


The Wikileaks’ claim HERE.

  • Quiter

    Will we see LKY bringing them to court?

  • James

    I have learnt not to trust you since 10 years ago. Your words are more venomous than anyone else.

  • Stacy

    How ungrateful you are James. You should keep your mouth shut and start educating yourself. You obviously have not study politics and only judge based on inaccurate articles or just based on fracturing truth.

    Majority of the people who criticized Lee Kuan Yew do not know exactly what he has done.

    Not everybody have the characteristic and genes to rule a country and lead it to such success.

    you should start reflecting..

  • Stacy

    Fracture*

  • Reap What You Sow

    To: Stacy

    Do you have any friend or relative who has been imprisoned by LKY and his cronies in ISD before? If not, you are either a government appointed troll or I can only commiserate with you for your innocence. There are good reasons why so many people in Singapore do not trust LKY and his cronies. I hope you will open your eyes one day.

  • Seamus

    To : Stacy

    For your information, this “good man LKY” you are talking about worked for the Japanese in WWII… Good man anyone?

  • ikan bilis

    Haha! Expect me to believe MFA notes? You got to be kidding right?

    If he had quoted another independent source to corroborate, I might still believe him. LOL!!!

  • somebody

    I don’t think he will be so stupid to use such words even behind close door conversation only to be used back against him someday.

    Not that I am a LKY’s fan but just don’t think he is that retard.

  • cesspool

    “implacable in wanting to put down all who do not agree with them.”

    …………………..

    Sounds like the old fart describing himself

  • joanna

    Stacy:

    So, what abt politics have u studied? And what exactly has he done?

    I do respect him for his leadership in some sense from e early days of Singapore. But there’s always a tipping point n he has now gone beyond n down because he’s consumed by his never ending desire for power, control and money.

    Perhaps he started w noble n pure aspirations but unfortunately its now corrupted.

  • Steven Kho

    @Stacy

    You hit the nail on the head. No world leader, past, present or future, can ever match u to the greatness of our LKY. Trained in law, but equally an expert in finance, culture, society, demographics etc… everything. No other person in the world can match him in terms of intellect. Everything we have to day, we owe it to him. Without him, our parents would not even have survived till today, and we would never been born.

    Look at the troubles facing the world today, in US, Europe, China, India. I have no doubt that if LKY was running any of these countries, they wil all be success instead of the failures that they currently are.

  • SIMPLE

    “They are implacable in wanting to put down all who do not agree with them. So their Islam (politics) is a perverted version, which the overwhelming majority of Muslims (nearly 50% of people) in Singapore do not subscribe to.”

    The above words of LKY in his response if replaced by those in parenthesis aptly describes how the pot is calling the kettle black.

  • Titiana Ann Xavier

    One of them is a liar. It is either LKY or Hillary Clinton. Operation Cold Store and Operation Spectrum were carried out under false pretexts. A man with a track record of indulging in falsehood cannot be trusted to be honest nor truthful.

  • pffffftttt

    Well if the old coot didn’t at least *think* it, he wouldn’t have had to check the notes to make sure right?

  • Robert Nozick

    Smart move to refer to MFA meeting notes…it’s another – albeit more officious – way of saying: I don’t recall saying that. Anyway, I can imagine I will be caught between the devil and the dead blue sea if I were the MFA officer writing the minutes or giving them to LKY.

    Anyway with regard to LKY’s legacies, well he did his fair bit but really it was a collective effort with GKS, Rajaratnam, Alert Winsemius, Hon Sui Sen etc playing no less significant roles. LKY’s contribution was his eloquence and ruthless streak in imprisoning opponents.

  • hear no evil

    Lucikly LKY is around to clearify but what happen when he is not arround I believe many people will put words in his mouth like those anti-ISA supporters.

  • justice league

    what did hillary say?

  • Steven Kho

    @Robert Nozick

    GKS, Rajaratnam, Hon Sui Sen, Lim Kim San etc were all just bit players. They did contribute, but nothing as significant or noteworthy as LKY. By comparing them to LKY is like comparing south-east asian football teams to the Brazilian national team.

  • popcorn

    He might have said something like this, no wind, no waves, given his straight style talking. Never in his dreams would he guessed he has to eat back his words. Walls do have ears.
    He just have to learn to hold his tongue, what he’s always saying is seditious, but of course, being an old Elite, no one would dare charge him.
    Told you already, whenever ho opens his gap, we Singaporeans always winch.
    Common on, MFA is his Agency, whose side would MFA be.
    He should have stopped being so totally entralled with the Americans, they could play him out.

  • JR

    DID he or DID’NT he that is the question.

    Before ‘wikileaks’ “EVERYTHING is CLASSIFIED”

    After ‘wikielicks’ “NOTHING is CLASSIFIED”

  • Alex Ferguson

    Dear Fellow Singaporeans,

    I would urge all of you to ignore this attack on the very fundamentals of Singapore democracy. We cannot allow such things to divide and sow seeds of discord among us. Please look at how I have managed Manchester United over the past 3 decades. I have encouraged meritocracy and shown no favors to players such as David Beckham and Chris Casper.

    In view of my debt to Singapore, I will also be putting forward for sale 30% of my club on the Singapore Stock Exchange. I trust that this will be a fair reflection of the contribution of Singapore to my legacy.

    Again, please all rally together and be united as the Reds!

    Best Regards
    Sir Alex Ferguson,
    Manager, First Team,
    Manchester United

  • Tan Kok Tim

    Great Strictness. Great Mercy.

    It is applied in politics.

    Many politicians use their human wisdom and make a mess of their own lives and the lives of many others when they apply these two opposites thinking it is right.

    But if they look at it deeper, in fact it is wrong.

  • Sammy Jr

    What has Hilary Clinton got to say ? As an American, her English comprehension skills should be as good as LKY….So who is lying?

  • ngpy

    Stacy you seems to know Mr. Lee Kuan Yew very well, and are well versed with our local politics to have defended him against people critical of him.
    If you care to answer of what I am asking of you a couple of questions, for the past 10 years in your honest and frank opinion do you think, there were numerous flaws in the system being implemented? Is holding back on to the citizens own hard earned money held by the CPF where they are not able to utilize in full for their own medical purposes? Who in this universe dare to say not to pay untill death, the medisave money, none, except the PAP Government,
    the one and only one in the whole world.

  • hahn

    if he hadn’t said this or have said nothing to give such an impression,he will not need to clarify what he has said.

    what is strange here is having himself come out and defend what he said.

    there is no smoke without fire.he did say something and that something is what he is trying to explain away using the word “perverted”.

    well done lky,there is a reason why all lawyers go to hell you know…

  • popcorn

    The moderate Muslims are very accomodating to such remarks in Singapore. Kudos to our Muslim citizens for their sensibilities.
    What we are afraid is we may incur the wrath of those Muslim terrorists operating in this part of the world, and may take action on us.
    Singapore leaders must be circumspect, think before they speak, a slip of the tongue could lead to disunity here, or worse still, may lead to disastrous events.
    PM Lee is known to be close to our Muslims here, better do some damage control.

  • GG

    LKY has his faults but I think in this case his response rings true. As a lawyer he is careful with words and will never say anything to outsiders that would not bear repeating. The sort of Islam practised by Osama and his admirers is perverted. LKY might well have expressed that. There are perverted Christian beliefs too, witness the atrocity perpetrated by that guy in Norway. If we want to be taken seriously we need to show common sense in our opinions.

  • MORE LIKE WAITING FOR OBAMA TO HANDOUT USA CITIZENSHIP CERTIFICATE

    5 September 2011 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/09/wikileaks-us-state-dept-views-on-yp/comment-page-2/

    WHEN IS MINISTER YAACOB GOING TO HAND OUT SINGAPORE CITIZENSHIP CERTIFICATE TO HIS WIFE N CHILDREN???????

  • perplexed

    This is how I draw my conclusion:

    1. wikileaks has caused many a government to “clarify what was said” -why the need to clarify if there is no truth in it?
    2. wikileaks was an unknown entity in 2005 and upto the recent two years -so back then there was no need for caution when speaking with a statesman you trust
    3. Why should Mrs Clinton sabotage her political friends
    4. Examining the track record of the characters based on words & actions in the past is usually a good indication of a person’s future behaviour.

    In the world of politics, truth is often mixed with make believe and it is imperative for one to draw conclusions only after objective analysis.

  • popcorn

    Next thing to be revealed here on TOC would be what MP Charles Chong said to the Americans, as revealed by Wikileads.
    Charles must be shivering in his pants now.
    poor old Charles.

  • Observer

    It is precisely that he is a lawyer and should be careful with his words, that what he had said, speaketh what went on in his mind. Don’t forget he talked about ‘knuckle duster’, ‘cul-de-sac’, ‘hatchet’ etc. He is capable of thinking what people fathom he would not be thinking of. Such is this man.

  • Tom Doley

    OT, can someone enlighten me, what happen to TEMASEK REVIEW EMERITUS?
    Thanks. :-)

  • Limited Dreams

    Why do you need to look at MFA notes? You either said it or you didn’t. You can’t remember because old age is getting to you, then speak less. Besides, even if you did say that, MFA wouldn’t have recorded it.

  • facts of life

    TRE .. dunno what happen look like run away with everyone money..

    this teach us not to support those opp of government..

  • Black Hei

    @Steven Kho

    Initially I thought you were just being sarcastic.

    But now, I think you are merely a TRE mole.

    Even numbest PAP supporter would not have trolled on these message boards, inviting greater anger towards the ruling party with remarks like:-

    “No other person in the world can match him in terms of intellect. Everything we have to day, we owe it to him. Without him, our parents would not even have survived till today, and we would never been born.”

    While the many people in this forum dislike PAP for their own reasons, your job is to roleplay yourself as the numbest PAP supporter alive and incite and inflame more public anger.

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    32 Responses to “Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s response to wikileaks’ claim”

    Will we see LKY bringing them to court?

    I have learnt not to trust you since 10 years ago. Your words are more venomous than anyone else.

    How ungrateful you are James. You should keep your mouth shut and start educating yourself. You obviously have not study politics and only judge based on inaccurate articles or just based on fracturing truth.

    Majority of the people who……………………….

    ………………………………………………………………………….

    yeap James is ungrateFOOL.l.eekinyou is a GREAT liar, he betrayed your great granpas by betrayin the locals and had them xecute just to gain favours with kematais.. he flock the blackmarkets sellin tapioca with inflated prize durin the same eras, after the war.. he betrayed his communist pap cdre lim chinsiong and changed our school history lessons sayin limchinsiong is singapore most 1/3 communists nd devain nair who too fought with him side by side gettin singapoor indepenences from the colonial masters
    so stacy what you don’t really know..SHUTHEFART up….

    as for steven kho…
    you better console stacy maybe you can split with andy chua and finally couped with a REAL bimbo ere….

  • Whale

    Wonder whether Mindef keeps such good records as MFA. Tony Tan should also look at Mindef’s notes again on his sons’ National Service to refresh his memory……..

  • Really??

    The recorder of MFA dare to record those words??? Really?? How about the US records? That would be more believeable!!!

  • Steve Goh

    Our Harry Lee is one changed man – In the past he used to sue anyone trying to defame him- why now so quiet ? It would be interesting if he can take on Wikileaks !!

  • Cold Blooded Joker

    @ Black Hei
    steven kho is the fiddle stick, an extremist, a cold blooded joker, venomous person.
    Beware of him.

  • CF

    It’s strange how extreme the anti-LKW comments are. Having seen the government, the civil service, all kinds of systemic corruption in Malaysia (and elsewhere in Asia), I’m quite surprised that LKW is hated so much. We don’t even hate the corrupt leaders in Malaysia that much. I can understand if someone dislikes him or disagrees with his opinion / policy / etc. But the amount of hate or angst or whatever demonstrated against him just does not seem justifiable in my humble opinion compared to what he has done for Singapore. No one is perfect of course. Seen from my perspective and experience in Malaysia, I personally feel that those who demonstrated such hateful comments about LKW appear rather… for the lack of a better word, ungrateful, and do not treasure what they have. Many Malaysians will trade any or all of their leaders for LKW anytime.

  • Steve Wu

    That “venomous religion” was placed under quotation meant that the US State Department cable claimed that Lee Kuan Yew said those words. Further, that his statement affirmed the meeting and the discussion in 2005 meant that the information released by Wikileaks was in fact authentic.

    This incident really has an easy resolution. Either Lee Kuan Yew said those words or he did not. In his statement, he did not deny having said those words, merely said it was not recorded.

    Perhaps somewhere there is a recording of that meeting.

  • sam

    every world leader cited on wikileaks rejects claims; things turn out to be otherwise later.

  • Jedi Yeo

    Oh dear, it looks like our glorious leader has a case of serious foot in mouth disease. For the sake of Singapore, I hope it’s terminal.

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  • cesspool

    CF 5 September 2011
    No one is perfect of course. Seen from my perspective and experience in Malaysia, I personally feel that those who demonstrated such hateful comments about LKW appear rather… for the lack of a better word, ungrateful, and do not treasure what they have. Many Malaysians will trade any or all of their leaders for LKW anytime.

    _______________________________________________________

    Why stop at Malaysia? I’m sure Indians would trade Gandhi for LKY anyday.

  • Jedi Yeo

    CF, who is LKW? Never heard of LKW.

  • oms

    Generally, recording machine do not tell the tone, body language and is unreliable within a conversation. Believe LKY meant that the terrorists who are happened to be “Islam” is blinded and misguided the truth of Islam religious.
    Please don’t be a daft to listen the hearsay and to wikileak. Let’s work together for the future.

  • siber citizen

    @ stacy

    he may be god to you but devil to us!!!

  • Anti PAP ! ! !!

    My primary one grandson told me, “what do you expect Kuan Yew to say” in order that he preserved his head from being chopped off.

    And do you think Kuan Yew denying it will get off the hook lightly?

    Which is the Hard Truth?

  • Shaun Liew

    If they can edit news, edit online articles and censor comments isn’t it easy for them to edit confidental documents? come on PE results show 70% people support PAP? Why does he not say this on this page?

  • CF

    cesspool > Why stop at Malaysia? I’m sure Indians would trade Gandhi for LKY anyday.

    Jedi Yeo > CF, who is LKW? Never heard of LKW.

    Fine, so I had a typo. Big deal.

    See, this is what I’m talking about. Why are there so many anti-LKY people out there that is so full of anger and all they can provide is sarcasm and can’t participate in rational discussions?

    I mean there was a comment earlier by someone who is unhappy with LKY because he made CPF withdrawals difficult – this I get it and understand. It’s rational, factual and I can appreciate where he’s coming from.

    The rest are just pure angst and I don’t understand where they are coming from. Are those written by teenagers? If that’s the case I can understand the level of angst as well. If not, I’m just very surprised by that level of anger towards someone who has done a lot more good for Singapore than bad. I don’t expect everyone to like him or agree with him. I just don’t understand the high level of angst shown, not just in this post, but in many forums / postings I have come across on Singapore politics.

    Hey man, I’m just trying to understand.

  • mike

    well, i can only say this….

    there will be no smoke if there is no fire.

    so, who is smoking? lky or hillary?

  • Oslo Citizen

    Singaporeans so worshipped this old man Kuan Yew who was proven time and again that he wears skirts, only bully those he can with the support of his courts, his policemen, his lawyers.

    When it comes to Julius Assange, he chickened out. Smart he is, stupidly smart, he dare not to say others lied. But simply said it was NOT RECORDED.

    F U. Not recorded DOES NOT mean you didnt say it.

  • oms

    Know the different. The wording is againt a man who have contributed tremendously to the success of Singapore. The 1st world may be not be valid to you now, but in the unforseenable future, u may need it.

  • robert kho

    ///Steven Kho 5 September 2011 No other person in the world can match him in terms of intellect. Everything we have to day, we owe it to him. Without him, our parents would not even have survived till today, and we would never been born.///

    With you steven kho, all the people & their parents that are surviving today outside singapore (in other countries) are still surviving. you must be a great person and they must owe their fortune to you.

    by the way, you can replace your name with any other name.

  • kuma

    Malays Indians and other races are considered second class citizens LKY is Chinese of course he will be favouring Chinese over 35 years living in Singapore I have seen it and around the world is the same thing LKY as done so much to the Chinese but now they are biting back it is because of many FTs of non Chinese who are taking away the jobs and are earning a lot

  • Notantinorpro

    Jakarta Globe
    Mon, September 5, 2011

    Lee Kuan Yew Denies Branding Islam as ‘Venomous Religion’
    September 05, 2011

    Singapore’s founding father Lee Kuan Yew has been forced to deny allegations contained in leaked US diplomatic cables that he “characterized Islam as a ‘venomous religion.’”

    Channel News Asia reported that the city state’s former minister mentor had released a statement on Monday denying he had made the comments to then United States senator Hillary Clinton in 2005.

    Lee said he had read the ministry of foreign affairs record of the meeting and had found no trace of the alleged comment.

    In the statement, the news portal reported, Lee said he had discussed regional terrorism network Jemaah Islamiyah “and the jihadist preachers who brainwashed them.”

    He said they followed a perverted version of Islam, which the majority of Singaporean Muslims did not follow.

  • Stevenkhorfather

    Seems like Stacy & steven kho are both “retards”. Brain damaged !

  • Jim

    “their Islam is a perverted version, which the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Singapore do not subscribe to.”

    Why add that last bit? He’s implying there are some “Muslims in Singapore” that DO subscribe to a perverted version of Islam that wants to put down all who do not agree with them. I don’t believe that’s the case. I cannot believe there’s any support whatsoever for extremist Islam in Singapore – did he? Does he?

  • Let There Be Peace

    When 2 parties meet to discuss politics behind closed doors, they draw certain inferences and perception from one another (remember, they are politicians!)which may not necessarily be a word-for-word account that goes down on record.

    What transpired could have easily been Hilary Clinton’s analysis and reflection of that meeting that she must have had recorded it (in her opinion)somewhere in her classified notes/file.

    I am inclined to believe that Wikileak hacked into that file and sent out the details unabridged for all our reading pleasure. And come to think of it, perhaps no one was lying after all.

    LKY did the right thing to clarify his position, and that’s the least he could do to distance himself from that write-up.

    I bet LKY would be too proud to deny it if he truly believes in that derogatory statement. He is still LKY and no one tells him to retract words in an immediate instance and without a tinge of hesitation.

    I don’t particulalrly like LKY, but this time I believe he was done in by the US. O, well, politics is fair game for all, isn’t it?

  • Robert Nozick

    Steven Kho, you make me laugh. TOC is not a joke forum where we compete to tell the funniest joke. I think you have very chronic delusion. Do you have lky’s statutte at home and pray to it everyday? Sheesh…

  • Steve

    Why do you need to check the record? I thought these were secret conversations often off-record.

  • tiredsingaprean

    of cos lky would deny all he could about whats been discussed or said among those islamic issues that wikileaks had exposed, knowing too well what the consequence he and his party would face from all those muslims around us would do.

  • Damn

    Simply issuing this press release is not good enough. LKY should take one step further. He should sue all those people for defamation. “Hit them where it hurts most, their pockets. Make them crawl to him on bended knees for mercy.” Explain and clarify and deny all he wants, the damage is done. This has definitely hurt the feelings of our fellow Muslim Singaporeans. Perhaps LHL has to, once again, do some damage-control.

  • Tracy Tan

    Dear oslo Citizen’

    You said “he dare not to say others lied. But simply said it was NOT RECORDED.

    F U. Not recorded DOES NOT mean you didnt say it.”

    You are right!! Why darent LKY say that the US lied? Not recorded doesnt show that LKY didnt say it. It’s LKY’s words against the US’ words. So who is lying?

  • muthu

    @ kuma

    Don’t incir hated and am ashamed of you!!! There are many well off Malays and Indians in Singapore too before the Fts from all over the world came to Singapore. We are not inferior and continue to contribute.

  • georgia tong

    We will not know for sure if LKY said such words. But he being a big mouth egoist senile old man, it would not be surprising that he did and now denies it. After all he has been using strong terms on us S’poreans too.

  • …..

    …Terrorism is rational….

  • Tracy Tan

    Dear Damn,

    I like what you said. If, LKY does not take action, it shows that he is afraid and the US is right.

  • Really?

    Very good question, why would people hated such a “great guy” that other countries yearn to have? Ungrateful, so simple an explanation? No one started to hate with no reason. Many of those against him are once his supporters. One need to be more discerning n study the negative aspect of this man to understand the angst. In North Korea on the surface they all love Mr. Kim
    too, though the free world hated him. There is more to it than meet the eye.

  • Ah Gong

    Obviously LKY was point figure at Hillary Clinton or USA for making damaging statments on Islam. The was not reason for wikileak to make up stories, either LKY or Hillary Clinton had lied. Lets see what action LKY going to take on USA whom damaged his good name.

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  • First World

    5 September 2011 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/09/wikileaks-us-state-dept-views-on-yp/comment-page-2/

    WHEN IS MINISTER YAACOB GOING TO HAND OUT SINGAPORE CITIZENSHIP CERTIFICATE TO HIS WIFE N CHILDREN???????

    ———————————–

    He will not hand out the citizenship to his wife and children lah. He is in the cabinet, he knows Singapore is not the place to stay unless the government reform. That is probably why he married an american, can go over to america if things doesnt change here mah.

  • Jasoel

    Dear Back bencher Lee please Sue if it not right. If you don’t sue than it is true.You said it before yourself…So is anyone chickening OUT…or maybe it is true……erm….erm…..

  • http://= ohmypapa

    CONGRATULATIONS CHUA FOR TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
    Hello Chua:

    HOPE YOU DONT LOSE YOUR JOB.

    THIS WILL RUFFLE SOME FEATHERS< NO DOUBT.

    Chua Chin Hon, who is currently the paper's US bureau chief, was quoted as saying that reporters have to be careful in their coverage of local news, as Singapore's leaders will "likely come down hard" on anyone who reports negatively about the government or its leadership.

    Without naming names, he also recounted how several ministers at the time "routinely call editors" to ensure that media coverage of an issue "comes out the way they want it."

    "A new relationship is developing between the government and media. The biggest loser, if The Straits Times continues to lose eyeballs, is the government. Then it will be without a pervasive platform to get across its message," someone said.

    "How this relationship will play out will depend a lot on whether editors can make the big switch to the new normal in Singapore journalism and how the government will respond to such efforts," he added.

    ALL BULLSHIT.

    AFTER YEARS AT THE HELM AT SPH, TT DID NOT DO A THING TO IMPROVE SINGAPORE'S FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.

    TT IS A PAPPIE AND SO TOWED THE LINE OF HIS PARTYS MASTERS AND THE EDITORS OF ST HAVE NO B***S..to do anything..but continue to kow tow to gahmen..for fear of losing their jobs.
    AFTER ALL, WHO ELSE IS GOING TO EMPLOY THEM?

  • Oh Tham Eng

    MM LEE KUAN YEW IS REALLY FOR ISLAM AND HE WANTS EVERY MUSLIM TO BE VERY STRICT IN IT

    But no need to be strict in islam. Thank ALLAH for our good and enlightened Muslim leaders and our intelligent Muslim Singaporeans who truly understand this of MM Lee Kuan Yew. If not for them, Singapore will also end up like what is happening so often in India (see article attached below).

    There and elsewhere, Muslims are facing a growing scourge of suicide bombings from local islamic terrorists who are mass-slaughtering never-ending numbers of innocent Muslim children, women and men, and maiming for life many more innocent Muslims (even while they were praying and worshipping God in the mosques) in their senseless jihads for the false promises of free sex with many voluptuous paradise virgins.

    So let us put it this way: many people also think like MM Lee KY, that islam is venomous, but not ISLAM, which is good. (Or you can say, Islam versus islam).

    In fact, Jesus says that without ISLAM, even Christians will go to hell. “Not every one who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord”, shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in Heaven….” Matthew 7:21-23,

    And where is Jesus now? According to the Quran, “ALLAH has taken Jesus to Heaven to be with Him. ALLAH is mighty and wise.” An-Nisaa 4:158. According to Prophet Mohammed (pbbuh), he said in the Hadiths that one day, Jesus will be returning to earth to be our planet’s just ruler:

    “Abu Hurairah, a Companion of Prophet Mohammad (pbbuh), reported that the Messenger of Allah (pbbuh) said that ‘By Allah in Whose Hands my soul is, the time is near when the Son of Mary [i.e. Jesus] will shortly descend amongst you people/be sent down to earth [by ALLAH] to be a just ruler…..and money will grow so abundant that it will not be needed by anyone; and nobody will need to accept charitable gifts.’ ” Sahih Bukhari V3B34N425

    The hadith also said that Jesus, son of Mary, will descend at the white minaret to the east of Damascus. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol.3, p.1202). Therefore, there are very good reasons why Muslims and Christians should be united to prepare a joyous welcome for King Jesus when He returns to our troubled planet earth to bring unprecedented peace and prosperity.

    So what is ISLAM? It means submitting to or doing the will of the God (i.e. ALLAH) Who made the heavens and the earth, if one wants to go to heaven where Jesus is now with Him. (Matthew 7:21-23).

    But islam means submitting to the devil Satan, chief of the disobedient jinns (demons). So islam is venomous, but ISLAM is good because it is from ALLAH and concerns the worship of ALLAH. That was/is really what MM Lee Kuan Yew meant. So how can there be anything wrong with what MM Lee had said in Wikileaks about islam being venomous?

    In fact, MM Lee wants all Muslims to be very strict in ISLAM, but not in islam, which is the religion that al-Qaedans, the JIs, the Salafists, etc, all try so hard to preach and foist on the unsuspecting Muslims. This too is from ISLAM: “Repel evil with good and he who is your enemy will become your bosom friend.” Fusilat 41:34.

    So “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!
    =======================================
    {MORE LOCAL’S ROLE IN BLASTS WORRIES INDIA

    TNN | Sep 5, 2011, 05.03AM IST

    The rising involvement of locals as in the Jaipur blast in 2008 meant that India could no longer brag about there being no Indians in the al-Qaida, former national security advisor M K Narayanan told US diplomats.

    He also said the joint anti-terror mechanism with Pakistan had failed as even though India asked Islamabad to look into several of “few thousand” phone numbers intercepted from the Taliban, the Pakistanis continually responded that the numbers did not exist or no one was on the other end.

    FROM:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/More-locals-role-in-blasts-worries-India/articleshow/9866175.cms }

  • yeoman

    one of the best n most effective way of combatting any form of ‘EXTREMISM’ is by way of ‘MORAL/RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS’ in our schools like in the years gone by.

    i am sure many among our better elites have been schooled adequately in religious n moral education much more than most of the newer elites in our society.

    look,even HArVARD top gradautes in AMERICA are among the BIGGEST CULPRITS that bankrupted corporate america and even the mighty USA itself?!
    the MORAL N SOCIAL DECAY of the ONCE MIGHTY USA ,to my simple mind,could probably to largely attributed to the BARRING OF RELIOGIOUS EDUCATION even in catholic,christian schools etc.

    HERE,in our own midst,our YOUNGER SINGAPOREANS are exhibiting SIMILAR ANTI-SOCIAL N IMMORAL conduct in a more and more AMORAL school and societal environment.

    it is almost time to bring back GOOD OLD RELGIOUS N MORAL EDUCATION into our schools instaead of just nurturing our kids to produce nice-looking distinctive certficates that have wayward bearing in their moral compass.

    a muslim must not learn his religion ,ie,ISLAM,but must also learn a few modules of the philosophy of other good religions and itwould bet better such a subject is alos ‘EXAMINBALE’.

    IN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT,’IN GOD ,WE TRUST’ as found in their dollar bill is,in truth,’ IN MONEY(GOD),WE TRUST’????

    GOD BLESS OUR BELOVED COUNTRY,SINGAPORE AND OUR LEADERS AND PEOPLE,THE TRUE BLUE LIONS N LIONESSES.

  • notanotherspinstory

    Pardon the old fella, he’s dyslexic. He must have meant magnanimous instead of venomous. Or they just wanted to put words into his mouth.

  • R B

    Its damage control now for the PAP. Poor LHL keep getting problem by his fåthêr who is totally disconnected from the ground. Like many of our cabinet minister. Smile to the blind, Whisper tor the deaf. When citizen complain. Take notice. Don’t just brushed it aside as noises.

  • The sane one

    Dear Oh, I think you need to clam down and think like a sane person.

    1) A religion that teaches it’s people to kill and maim other innocents and rewards them with 70 “voluptuous” virgins must be either a fake religion or a religion for retards. For someone to believe this religion exists must be akin to a retard as well. To make sexual innuendos by usage of such words as “voluptuos” when it was never EVER used is a dead giveaway at what you are trying to achieve here.

    2) Since you are so good at quoting the Quran why don’t you quote the verse that states that a suicide bomber in Islam that kills and mains innocents will get 72 voluptuos virgin? To spare you some time, don’t bother searching because it doesn’t exist. It only exists in your imagination and those that keep on repeating the lie of the 72 virgin reward.

    3) Submitting to the will of god doesn’t equate to submitting to the will of the devil or Satan how you can equate and reconcile the 2 is beyond belief.

    It is people like you that gives Christianity a bad name.

  • AT

    Dear CF

    I totally agree with you. I really cannot understand why there is so much anguish and why some people are ever so ready to just pass mindless remarks.

    I really hope those baseless posts are written by teenagers who have the privilege of growing up in modern Singapore and have yet to see real suffering in the real world.

    Please people, we are ALL Singaporeans. There is no point in bringing down someone who has done so much for us!

  • SIMPLE

    It is not impossible that LKY had said it “off the records” but some smart US official still recorded it in his notes when he returned to the U.S., intending it to be confidential. In politics as in business there are many things that are said but not recorded.

  • NurAtiqah

    The Muslim Umrah have heard you and your statement today.

    But the Muslim Umrah have also heard you in the past and have seen your action when you were in charge as PM then. And later as MM in cabinet. Through your books that you have written and other written materials, you have also spoken loudly your mind on Islam and your views of Muslim Malays in Singapore.

    Wikileaks have now revealed that you have “characterized Islam as a ‘venomous religion’”.

    Do we believe this cable by the US Embassy in Singapore reporting on the visit of Senator Hillary Clinton to Singapore in Jul 2005. Why would they lie? What is their purpose to fabricate such a report? What do they gain?

    Do we believe your statement here today that “This is false. I looked up MFA’s filenote of the meeting. Nowhere does it record me describing Islam as “venomous”, nor did I say anything which could have given that impression.” Granted you being a proud and straight talking man as always will not back down from what you have said.

    So which of these are we suppose to believe?

    In this state of confusion ,the Muslim Malay Umrah can only see you as what you were as PM/MM then, for your past actions, and your thoughts that you have publicly shared in your writings over the years. These sum total will be more accurate to properly reflect your views of the Muslim Malay community in Singapore.

    And may I add, by and large, shared by this PAP government.

    Assalamualaikum.

  • Gemmi

    What LKY did or did not say in that particular meeting is not important at this time because it cannot be proven either way now. Since he was at the helm of the country’s affairs for a long time, one can judge his approach towards religious minorities through his actions and policies and make an opinion on whether they have been fair or not.

  • cesspool

    AT 5 September 2011
    There is no point in bringing down someone who has done so much for us!

    …………………..

    Eh, not for us, but for himself – control of education system, media, military, courts to shape people’s mind so he can remain in power. Not to mention he also want to control our hard-earned CPF money. In between, he throws some scraps to us, in the form of a so-called “asset” that is priced way above its cost (but called subsidized) and we have to pay for it for 30 years.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    PLEASE BRUSH UP YOUR ENGLISH GRAMMAR, FRIEND!

    If you are really “The sane one”, then you wrote like you are a Christian with poor knowledge of English grammar. Please understand that there is a world of difference between Islam (or ISLAM) and islam. Have you forgotten your grammar rules on capitalisation?

    ISLAM (or Islam) means submitting to or doing the will of the Almighty God, Whose Name in the Arabic Bible is ALLAH, Who created the heavens and the earth. In the Chinese Bible, His Name is “Shangdi”. But islam means submitting to the devil Shaitan (Islamic Satan), chief of the disobedient jinns (Islamic term for demons). That is why islam is venomous, while ISLAM is good.

    So ISLAM teaches submission to ALLAH (GOD) while islam of the alQaedans, the JIs, etc, obviously teaches submission to the divine impostor allah (their god). That is why allah’s agents are those sex-driven and mindless jihadists (‘holy’ islamic fighters) who love mass-slaughtering even innocent Muslim children, women and men for allah’s false promises of eternally free sex with voluptuous paradise virgins even during the Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan when those innnocent Muslims were in their mosques worshipping.

    So please get an education quickly, “The sane one”
    ==========================================
    {The sane one 5 September 2011

    Dear Oh, I think you need to clam down and think like a sane person.

    1) A religion that teaches it’s people to kill and maim other innocents and rewards them with 70 “voluptuous” virgins must be either a fake religion or a religion for retards…}

  • a little bit of soap

    Records and notes can be destroyed! How many can be so stupid like Col Gaddaffi leaving so much evidence behind?

  • Alan Wong

    ‘Venomous religion’ isn’t exactly a politically correct word to say or even to suggest it.

    He would be much more convincing if he had said it was a slip of the tongue, a honest mistake or something to the effect “I’m probably getting too old for my mind to function properly”.

    He should have realised that the same old trick that it was not recorded in the filenote is actually quite unconvincing considering that every piece of official conversation would certainly have been recorded for obvious security reasons.

    Are we really that daft to believe him ?

  • Putusamy

    Today WikiLeaks revealed that LKY has “characterized Islam as a ‘venomous religion’”.

    Is it surprising to us minorities?

    Absolutely NO. Nothing new.

    Remember his position when he said that S Dhanabalan is not fit to be the Prime Minister. Others may forget but we Indians remember.

    Do you expect his son to be any different?

    Be truthful and ask yourself.

  • wakeup call

    Muslim frds who voted for PAP please wake up. Don’t fall asleep again at next election.

  • icedwater

    One note to my fellow online citizens: don’t feed the trolls. Let’s keep the discussion on topic.

    I think what has been published can definitely contain bias on the part of the Americans, or just be their interpretation, but LKY’s response leaves much to be desired. Simply stating it was not in the MFA transcript does make it seem he is trying to dodge something, because while it cannot be expected that he remember every single detail of what he’s ever said, I do think this is one of the more sensitive topics and whatever comments made about these especially in the presence of foreign leaders should stick in memory.

    Whether or not he has done a lot for our development he is still a public figure, and what he says or does cannot be exempt from criticism. It is a mark of respect that he is held up to more public scrutiny than others, because it meander expect him to be accountable for what he says.

  • ST

    Will he suit them for slander and defamation of his integrity? Will he demand the rest of the PAP minister / MP to suit the same for what they said in the wikileak if it is not true, else they agreed that it is true?

  • slaughtered

    Minster mentor is minister mentor, so said Lee Hsien Loong…

    This is a person who will never apologize or admit his wrong doing.

    His best effort will be I stand corrected.

  • Damn

    @Tracy Tan
    I’m glad you share my views.

    Unlike what some of views claimed here, I’m not eager to ‘bring down someone who has done so much for us..’ In fact, I wish he didn’t really make those racist and discriminating remarks. This Wikileaks thingy can cause a whole lot of damage to our social harmony, which I treasure dearly. It’s rather unusual that our great leader is so ‘quiet’ about it. With his vast experience in dealing with international media who defame him, I would expect a better course of action from him to shut these people up and I’m sure he knows he can’t explain it away solely quoting MFA’s record. I’m certain our Muslim citizens are waiting for his truthful explanation.

  • iVOTEahMENG

    CF
    Many Malaysians will trade any or all of their leaders for LKW anytime.
    …………..
    who are this malaysians? the federations of the chinese clans perhaps?
    why don’t you asked the trenggunue tortoise populations.. i am sured the tortise would also trade the TURTLEs eggs for leekingyou as well

  • BillyMa

    lky should sue the party who accused him of saying those things, just like he likes & did to the oppositions & for that matter, anyone who upset him.

    lky, you got a reputation to upkeep. Or is it just becos it comes from a strong nation/person, you chicken out?

    I see.

  • BENEO

    Wikileaks is venomous and vicious. It is impossible that LKY made such a comment.

  • worry about future

    Is Muslim in the social engineering experiment of S’pore?

    Already the chinese here are being diluted by the chinese nationals from China.

  • tribute to mrs lee

    This is a man’s world, this is a man’s world
    But it wouldn’t be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

    You see, man made the cars to take us over the road
    Man made the trains to carry heavy loads
    Man made electric light to take us out of the dark
    Man made the boat for the water, like Noah made the ark

    This is a man’s, a man’s, a man’s world
    But it wouldn’t be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

    Man thinks about a little baby girls and a baby boys
    Man makes then happy ’cause man makes them toys
    And after man has made everything, everything he can
    You know that man makes money to buy from other man

    This is a man’s world
    But it wouldn’t be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

    He’s lost in the wilderness
    He’s lost in bitterness

  • We trust You, Mr lee

    You with the sad eyes
    don’t be discouraged
    oh I realize
    it’s hard to take courage
    in a world full of people
    you can lose sight of it all
    and the darkness inside you
    can make you fell so small

    But I see your true colors
    shining through
    I see your true colors
    and that’s why I love you
    so don’t be afraid to let them show
    your true colors
    true colors are beautiful
    like a rainbow

    Show me a smile then
    don’t be unhappy, can’t remember
    when I last saw you laughing
    if this world makes you crazy
    and you’ve taken all you can bear
    you call me up
    because you know I’ll be there

    And I’ll see your true colors
    shining through
    I see your true colors
    and that’s why I love you
    so don’t be afraid to let them show
    your true colors
    true colors are beautiful
    like a rainbow

  • iVOTEahMENG

    BENEO5 September 2011
    Wikileaks is venomous and vicious. It is impossible that LKY made such a comment.
    …………..
    indeed.. wilileaks is funded by dr cheesoonjuan perhaps?
    leekinyou already said..the democratic oath is just a pastime talkcork armed foldin poetry to chant every moaninin in school or in the 2 durians as well

  • Oh Tham Eng

    NO LAH, JUST SLOPPY USE OF A CAPITALIZATION WHICH SHOULD NOT BE THERE

    MM Lee said “islam is venomous”, and got misquoted as “Islam is venomous.”

    Jesus in fact preaches ISLAM (or true Islam) in Matthew 7:21-23. He says there, that without ISLAM, all Christians will go to hell too.

    And this is the ISLAM that MM Lee wants every Muslim to be very strict in, such as: “Repel evil with good, and he who is your enemy will become your bosom friend.” Fusilat 41:34.

    And not the islam of the alQaedans, the JIs, the Salafists, the Hezbollahs, etc, with their never-ending suicide bombings of innocent Muslim children, women and men for allah’s false promises of the eternally free sex with many voluptuous paradise virgins.

    So “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • invincible

    I can tell you lky is now resting peaceful at home and not bothered by any of these negative comments.

    He is quite untouchable.

  • Venom-Spidey

    “Venomous religion”. Why this WikiLeaks stir shxx for me again. Did I really said that? As to the Toxicofera reptiles. Reptilian? What was I thinking of? Must be the toxin from the poisonous snakes slithering around? Or am really getting senile?

    I must check the MFA’s filenotes. They must say otherwise. I have faith in the MFA officers. Actually got no choice this time. Otherwise that person who met Senator Clinton was an imposter. Don’t talk like me. Don’t sound like me. It can’t be me.

    Never mind I just have to make a statement denying it and the DAFT people will believe me as always. No worries.

  • rizal

    Who to trust. Simple.
    If LKY sues wikileaks for defamation, only then people will believe him. Because we all know that’s his style.

  • Eugene

    Whether lky called Islam as venomous or not let’s look at the track record of his period. In 46 years the Malays have still not produced one who owns public listed company. In 46 years, right from the begining they were eyed with suspicion by PAP. The Malays performed their NS as fireman and constables that too always headed by a non malay officers. The Malays basic right for free education enshrined in the Constitution was amended by tactfully claiming that it amount a crutch mentality. It was forced down their throats. Even today they remain worst off amidst all the import of chinese n indian FTs. After Yusof as president there is a real chance of not having a Malay President. .

  • Beat it

    They told him don’t you ever come around here
    Don’t wanna see your face, you better disappear
    The fire’s in their eyes and their words are really clear
    So beat it, just beat it

    You better run, you better do what you can
    Don’t wanna see no blood, don’t be a macho man
    You wanna be tough, better do what you can
    So beat it, but you wanna be bad

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it
    Just beat it, beat it

    They’re out to get you, better leave while you can
    Don’t wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man
    You wanna stay alive, better do what you can
    So beat it, just beat it

    You have to show them that you’re really not scared
    You’re playin’ with your life, this ain’t no truth or dare
    They’ll kick you, then they beat you,
    Then they’ll tell you it’s fair
    So beat it, but you wanna be bad

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
    Beat it, beat it, beat it

    Beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or who’s right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
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    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or who’s right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right

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    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right

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    No one wants to be defeated
    Just beat it, beat it
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  • Marah

    “characterized Islam as a ‘venomous religion’”.

    This in from WikiLeaks of a cable by the US Embassy in Singapore. They are American white people reporting to their big boss in US.

    We don’t like Americans for what they do in Palestinian land. But in this case they have no reason to tell lie. Why should they? They were merely gathering local sentiment, not just here but globally, towards Islam.

    You want us to believe Chinaman recorded filenotes. And American one is wrong. If you are us will you believe? Ask yourself.

  • truecolors

    ! From wikileaks,& CNA ,Minister Jacobs Ikbrahim ,Sons & Daughter actuaally can hold “Dual Citizenship” a USA & anothe Singapore Citizenship ???

    Again another so,so “Special” case ,like Phony Tan ‘s Son ,Patrick.

    Looks like we have all been “had” and “shortchanged”.

    Apparently “White is not so white afterall”

    No wonder someone said we are Dafts..guess he really mean’t it ,b’cos so many “funny things” happen under our nose for so long and Nobody knows !

    Yup! Daft no more come GE2016 !

  • Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough

    Lovely Is The Feelin’ Now
    Fever, Temperatures Risin’ Now
    Power (Ah Power) Is The Force The Vow
    That Makes It Happen It Asks No Questions Why (Ooh)
    So Get Closer (Closer Now)
    To My Body Now Just Love Me
    ‘Til You Don’t Know How (Ooh)
    [Chorus]
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough

    [2nd Verse]
    Touch Me And I Feel On Fire
    Ain’t Nothin’ Like A Love Desire (Ooh)
    I’m Melting (I’m Melting)
    Like Hot Candle Wax Sensation (Ah Sensation)
    Lovely Where We’re At (Ooh)
    So Let Love Take Us Through The Hours
    I Won’t Be Complanin’
    ‘Cause This Is Love Power (Ooh)
    [Chorus]
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    (Ooh)

    [3rd Verse]
    Heartbreak Enemy Despise
    Eternal (Ah Eternal)
    Love Shines In My Eyes (Ooh)
    So Let Love Take Us Through The Hours
    I Won’t Be Complanin’ (No No)
    ‘Cause Your Love Is Alright, Alright

    [Chorus]
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
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    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
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    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    [Refrain]
    Lovely Is The Feeling Now I Won’t Be Complanin’ (Ooh Ooh)
    The Force Is Love Power
    [Chorus]
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
    Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
    Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
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    [Ad-Lib To Fade]

  • Tracy Tan

    Yaacob Ibrahim,

    Does Singapore allow its citizens to hold dual citizenships? If not, why are your children allowed to hold Singapore and American citizenships?

  • aziz kassim שלום

    Ottoman empire streatch upto Europe, but than the empire become crumbles. They start to become mediacore, becoming more religious and backward. The Europen starts to improve herself into industrial revolutions. Finally, ottoman expired, the sultan was exiled to malta. Muslims countries are the most backward of the backwards. In the histories of the world, no one ever attacked America, even Hitler, russian or china but the fundamentist Islmaist did it. The cold war now is; Islamic fundenmentalists. Such a modern age, we saw suicide bombing, beheading and we saw modern world, women becoming into cave age. If Islamic fundementalist is not venemous, i donot what to say, facts speak for it self.

  • Damn

    @BENEO
    “It’s impossible that LKY made such a comment..”
    Nobody, except LKY himself, knows if such a comment was being made.

    LKY owes everybody, especially our Muslims, an explanation. His hardcore supporters are quick to say Wikileaks is out to wreak havoc and LKY has liberty to ignore such noises. However, these “noises” will only get louder if not taken care of. Perhaps it’s time for LHL to do damage control again.

  • Suzan Boil

    LEE, by MFA do u mean singapire’s MFA?who heads it?

  • Spankler Pinkie

    Mr lee don’t worly,
    All muslims of singapore are grateful for your policies that support them.

    Why would any muslim choose another party? Why risk the policies?

    Regards
    Sam Salamata

  • SAM PRASAD

    such a great and seasoned statesman , he cld never have made such a comment especailly when living in a world surrounded by muslims

  • http://- dualmanspoor

    Is this true?
    Memo to: Yaacob Ibrahim,
    Does Singapore allow its citizens to hold dual citizenships? If not, why are your children allowed to hold Singapore and American citizenships?
    Or is it becoz.. there is one law for Pappies and another for the people.

    Don’t ask the ST to ask. They don’t have the guts.

    Maybe Chua Chin Hon can ask.

  • The Hard Truth

    The better question to check is this: If LKY is true in his claims, why are so many Malays and Indians not in senior positions in this country? Malays and Indians are are literally invisible in singapore. They are not given equal opportunities.

  • Really?

    Did not Gaddaffi improved n bring modernization to Lybia over the last 40 yrs? From camels to cars. His eastern European nurses affectionately called him “Daddy” n testified that he is a good n generous man. So, why so many of his countrymen hated n rebel against him? Were they simply ungrateful? He was their hero 40 years ago, didn’t he? Same goes with the likes of Mubarak, Sukarno, Mao, Suharto, Marcos, etc., the list goes on. They all hold power for far too long, become arrogant, self-righteous n behave above the law, cronyism inevitably follow. Followers accentuate the problem vying to please their bosses. People voices n unhappiness suppressed. It only a matter of time this simmering anger explode into a revolution. The sad part is leaders in power n their supporters always never see themselves as a major part of the problem. They brushed them aside as irritants; noises; ungrateful people; young hot headed idealists; opposition for opposition sake; thugs n gangsters; anti-establishment, etc. I am very sure most people would want change in a peaceful way but strong stubborn leaders will not grant it that way. I hope our leaders are wise to see the signs n allow a peaceful transition to a more plural n representative society.

  • Stevenkhorfather

    There incidentally aren’t many TopNotch Position Malay Army Officers in Singapore.

    Perhaps, there is a subtle hint to this.

    Maybe GKS & LKY knows.

    Ask them quick, cos One is ardy gone and the other is soon to go.

  • singaporeson

    can u trust someone who had worked for the japanese ?

  • THE TRUTH IS HARD!

    HAHAHA!

    He is now trying to drum up fears in the chinese and indian communities with his statements!

    He wants to slowly marginalize the malay communities by appointing more and more indians in higher exec./political positions!

    By doing this, He can suck up to India and is slowly but stealthily doing the same thing to the chinese community!

    ALL THE NATIVE SINGAPOREANS BETTER WAKE THE HELL UP!

  • doppelganger

    Even the Pope a few years ago said that Islam is a violent religion. If Muslims do not support its co-religionists the Palestinians, do you think that a single Palestinian would be alive today? Would there be any Muslims left in Beirut, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Chechnya etc? Yes Islam is violent and venomous to people who aims to exterminate it. LKY and the Pope were honestly ignorant. The Pope when questioned retracted his words. LKY too denied saying what he was alleged to have said. Because the real sense of the words violent and venomous cannot be applied to Islam in history. Muslims took up arms to defend themselves. Only in this sense were they venomous and violent. The Pope and LKY should stand their grounds and explain the sense of the words they uttered, instead of shying away.

  • Ah Gong

    Why wasn’t ISA used now on LKY for making such statement on race and religion?

  • popcorn

    Let’s see, Yacoob’s children hold dual nationality till age 18, so after this coming of age, would his children choose Singapore citizenship and ditch American ones?
    MP Yaccob, please keep us updated in 2 years time, when your son reaches 18 years.
    We want to know. Or, would you follow your wife and children and retire in America, if say your children retain their mother’s American citizenship and ditch Singaporean ones, which by that time you would be loaded with money, like our former President Nathan. Could retire there and live like a king.

  • Robert Nozick

    To those who want to know the reasons why so many are angry:

    LKY and PAP think Singapore belongs to them and that they are playing Sim City and have the right to control every aspect of our lives. They do not have any respect for us as human beings entitled to rights and freedom and dignity.

    The PAP and their cronies have abrogated every value espoused in the Pledge: justice – what justice is there when PAP MP’s can sue anyone for the most trivial of reasons? Equality: where is equality when sons of PAP ministers get preferential treatment in NS? Democratic society? Why is the media so biased and controlled with positive reports on the PAP and negative reports on the Opposition by lapdogs like Xue Ying, Chua Mui Hoong and Melvin Sigh?

  • popcorn

    Wikileaks’ leaking reports are false, says our LKY.
    Essentially, he means Wikileaks and Hillary Clinton were lying, and he, LKY is saying the truth. The MFA closed their ears, and have no records of LKY saying those damaging words about Islam.
    Let’s stay calm, and give our honourable elderly Statesman, LKY, the benefit of the doubt, let the whole matter quieten down and move on. It’s too sensitive and scaring.

  • Sabrina

    Heard that LKY is in hospital. Can anyone confirm he is OK.

  • jimmy

    I hope we will soon celebrating another State Funeral Day.

  • Jackson

    Given LKY’s negative comments about Muslims in his book, “The Hard Truth”, wikileak’s claims may be substantiated.

  • blinking eye

    @ sabrina

    nose bleeding treatment..hehe

  • LKY The Cavaliar

    Read his alibi carefully. LKY did not say he didn’t say it. He said “I looked up MFA’s filenote of the meeting. Nowhere does it record me describing Islam as “venomous”, nor did I say anything which could have given that impression.”

    So, what he means is, “I said it, but hahaha you can’t catch me, the filenote didn’t record it down! Therefore I am not lying when the filenote doesn’t say I said it!”

    As for why the filenote doesn’t record it, but the American diplomats reported it… maybe LKY ordered the comment struck off the filenotes but he can’t order the diplomats to do shit!

  • iVOTEahMENG

    Sabrina6 September 2011
    Heard that LKY is in hospital. Can anyone confirm he is OK.
    i also 1st 2 know
    which ward..no needs 2 ask what bed numbers
    i will send me grandma as ahmah 2 used the vacum cleaner 2 vacum his room sparkin dust free..the same 13am socket that is pumpin oxygen to his lung..just unplug and replug the vacum cleaner

  • abc

    dr yaacob, how many pr after converted to singaporean are holding dual citizen?

  • doppelganger

    @Ah Gong wrote,”Why wasn’t ISA used now on LKY for making such statement on race and religion?”Because ISA and LKY are one.

  • doppelganger

    The mystery deepens for the Yaacob children. Citizens have been clamouring for dual citizenship for a long time and now we learn it is there for the elites. What will surface next?

  • iVOTEahMENG

    doppelganger6 September 2011
    The mystery deepens for the Yaacob children. What will surface next?
    ………….
    maybe yacoob can shared with us..
    what is his present earnin in the usa?
    us$10,000/month?

  • geylangkid

    Old traitor:

    You should have been arrested many times for saying these crap about muslims and islam.

    Didn’t appear on the MFA’s filenote doesn’t mean you didn’t say, only meant it is covered up.

    Why don’t you sue Hillary Clinton and clear your name?

  • Alovera

    I don’t think LKY say that, he is so more intelligent & smart and respected or may be going to be dementia soon, coz dementia person says something and will later forgot what he says. But I think he’s very alert the way he speak.he should really retire from politics completely,and take things easy,relax more.for those always wants to wait for a ‘state funeral’ and a ‘long holiday’, wait long long,and show some respect,by the way I am neutral,but if he’s one day gone I believe especially the older generations will remember him how he transform S’pore in what is today. Without him S’pore will be also ‘bully’ by other countries.! I think he’s a very tough guy,that’s why S’pore is protected, of cause sometimes he implements(introduce) some policies which makes people very angry, ie. So many ERP so expensive, taxes on utility bills so high, makes us bankrupt, pay & pay tat’s what we call PAP

  • Twetty

    If you wants to know whether LKY is in hospital, check out those working in the hospital, there will be very tight security,don’t think anyone can enter his room so easy, most properly you will be scan,body search before you can see him, even VIP will also be electronic scan

  • shawnn

    Whatever documents release by wikileaks is a documents send by USA Embassy to their bosses sitting in the White House thereafter reporting to the President time to time of worldwide news and comments from various leader of the world. As you have seen when british Government declassified secrets documents relating to ISA Action on racial riots in the 60s. Plus additional truth were found in his books that Malay were hard to integrate with society.

    When US Government release such information’s are always 100% true and correct and wikileaks just copy and paste in its web site. Either the US Government must apologies to the Muslim Communities or LKY must apologies for his remarks. Then we will know the truth, if the US Government stand by their words then LKY is lier and fraud who have deceive Singaporean time to time by his dirty tricks.

    The Muslim Community should SUE LKY for defamation and sedative words. There are 1.6 Billions Muslim in the world if all of them sue him, he has the money to pay them. Then we will know his asset how much money he has made for himself and his family for last 50 years in the Government.

    Now the Minister In Charge for Muslim who is half America and Half Singaporean is not fit to hold that position and should remove him as the Minister In charge for Muslim, Singaporean Muslim should wake up and stand up for their rights now.

    Everyone knows that the PAP Government will never trust the Malay in the Army, that so many malays are in the Police Force and Civil Defense. If you see Malay in the Army are either in the low ranks soldiers or drivers of army trucks. if there are Officers in the Army then this Officers are restricted to only certain department in the Army and they are either directly related to the PAP Wings.

    When will this discrimination will END for GOOD. Only when the PAP Government lose their POWER in GE 2016 or 2021… For sure there will change of ruling party… by that LHL and Ho Ching would pack their billions of dollars LKY have saved for them and fly to Australia…

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  • Michael

    Mr Lee. Maybe it is time to sue for defamation? That’s your family (and friends) speciality. Yes. Please sue them for dishonouring you with lies. I think $500,000 is a good starting point.

  • Evil

    Initially I thought that LKY is old and becoming senile, but after reading today’s ST. I think he is…

  • Human Rights

    What many most agree with the Americans is their Freedom to Informaion, Freedom Of Speech , and Human Rights.
    These are Values that the old man most dislike.

  • Robert Chan

    I believe in God. But I don’t believe in religion.
    Religion is NOTabout the truth.
    Religion is about unsubstantiated claims/beliefs, rituals, myths, irrationalities and even lies.
    Prophets claim God spoke to them. But God has never acknowledged them.
    Pray to God directly becos God is understanding, Almighty, Omniscient and Immanent.
    Your relationwith God is personal and nothing should get in between.
    If you pray to God directly, you don’t have to pay tithes, zakat, donations etc.
    God don’t need your money. Only religion wants your money.
    If religious leaders claim they know God who asked them do HIS work, why don’t they print God’s Currency for themselves & all the countries in the world???
    Religious leaders know that men will NOT accept their God’s Currency.
    Religions sap alot of our money, resources, tie, effort, heartaches, lives and sufferings

    Islam was born out of violence.
    Its leaders were violent. (Read Quraiza Jews)
    Islamic leaders took a violent course against theirneighbours like Iran, Syria, Mesopotamia Egypt etc.
    Islam is an IMPERIAL POWER and Colonising Power with its Caliphates.

    There must be freedom of Religion & freedom from religion
    Nobody should be FORCED into a religion with a gun on his head or by law.

  • Lee family con you

    I believed he did said that. Just that MFA’s files didn’t note it. And I don’t blame him. He was only telling the truth.

  • ed
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  • Ah Gong

    Seriously for LKY to make such statement, be it is true or not true, the President should have activated ISA to arrest LKY,hold him without trial during investigation until he is really cleared from making such statement. If he was really wrong or he did made such statements, it was really serious for a leader to make such dividing statement. The ball is not on his side that he make statement to clear himself, or for him to sue another party to clear his name where what he said can be either charged or detained under ISA. PAP set the laws and guidelines, they should stick to it. Today if wikileaked that it was for example, an opposition party member who made the same statement, I am afraid he will be serving a long time in ISA, ST will publish the PAP act of being the hero to protect Islam from person making dividing statements.

    As for Yaacob’s children, under normal situation they will have to be born here before they can be given dual citizenship, else they must be like what happened to the China born President scholar who holds dual citizenship because she become Singaporean at young age together with parents staying here. That case was his children just like the PRC girl awarded with some knd of GOV schoolarship too? In the first place, his wife is mostly a PR, are they residenting here? Does her Citizenship forms a security threat to Singapore and Singaporean as her husband is GOV Minister who has access to secret information about Singapore. In normal case, comparing to Mindef standard, Yaacob’s security clearance would be lower because him immediate family member is a foreigner. Do we feel safe for a Minister whose wife is a foreigner?

  • cesspool

    With Wikileaks, there’s nowhere to run & hide.

    Very likely the old fart said those words coz he’s one who thinks he can say & do anything, and get away with it. On the other hand, if it was someone whom the old fart didn’t like that uttered the words, the ISD will be on them b4 they know it. Double standards.

    Same applies to Yaacob. Clearly, like many other ministers, this bugger is just here to make his money & exploit citizenship privileges. When he has to leave, he can go anywhere with his money. These ministers are truly smart.

  • KARA-U-ok?

    Robert Chan: There must be freedom of Religion & freedom from religion
    Nobody should be FORCED into a religion with a gun on his head or by law.
    ———————
    How about religion that use the fear factor to browbeat ordinary humans to become members? This type of ‘FORCE’ is even more subtle.

  • squire

    we have come a tedious long way maintaing peace with our Muslim neigbours. Why would old man uttered such foolhardy statement unless he is senile. I am not concerned about LKY but I want peace for our nation. I am mindful of the dire consequences if we trust wikileaks.

  • Winston Cheng

    The other day I was hauled to a police station on suspicion of a break-in. The police said that a shop CCTV showed images of me entering the shop. I called up my wife to check my calender. Then I told the police officer interrogating me `Well, looks like the CCTV is lying because my wife just checked my Calender and nowhere in it says that I broke into a shop on that day. Ha ha, gotcha’. The police didn’t let me go, Why ah??????

  • Ah Gong

    @Winston Cheng

    Do you understand that you must join PA or PAP, else the law can never be on your side. If you join PA or PAP, your senior can help you write “powerful” letters a the way to the top. Looked like you are doomed. Even evident may proof you are right, they will make you pay for their time, either you will be fined but for break-in, most likely they will “break you in” in Changi prison. Best of luck.

  • Mukerji

    Enjoy and learn something from this nostalgic video -

    http://www.dhapa.com/the-legend-of-fat-mama-video/

  • Monkey God

    What game is the West again playing?
    US’ CIA and British’ MI5 worked hand-in-hand with Gaddafi all along.
    Surprised?
    The rebels found all the secret files littered inside the State office.
    Next, NATO (US & W Europe) send in warplanes to bomb the hell of the Gadaafi government.
    These ang mohs sure know how to align themselves in their own bloody interests.
    Heard the rebels and the West and meeting in Paris for settlement talk (payback time?).
    Believe Wilkeleaks?
    Leak what and for what end purpose?
    Interesting right?
    Maybe we shdn’t be too successful . . .

  • Ah Gong

    So much for LHL and TT, both dare not launch ISD to check on his own old man. In fact this would be the best way to restore confidence to strengthen his leadership as well as to defuse suspicion between races. This would be one way he can get out of his old man’s shadow. Now it seems that LKY can call media press conference, get to MFA directly by pass his son without going via proper procedures, he a only a MP now, for him even he is LHL father, he still need to follow they procedures they setup. They setup and broke the rules themselves to cover their own ass, what a shame.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    HOW TO IDENTIFY FOLLOWERS OF islam

    Well, the first thing one notices is, followers of islam (i.e. islamists) often operate by hiding themselves in a moniker. But not all who write posts under a moniker to hide their real names are islamists. Some are good people giving their honest opinion.

    The second thing about followers of islam is that they reject the truth that MM Lee Kuan Yew is only against islam and not ISLAM. Because islam is their religion, and not the ISLAM of ALLAH, so they hate Lee Kuan Yew as allah wants his followers to hate others and the truths, even when they have no reason to hate. That is why allah’s islam is indeed a very venomous religion while the ISLAM of ALLAH is very good!

    But I am a follower of the ISLAM that Jesus teaches in the Injil (i.e. Gospel of Jesus). Jesus says without His ISLAM, no Christians can go to Heaven (i.e. God’s Kingdom, meaning all Christians will go to Hell without Jesus’ ISLAM). Read Matthew 7:21-23. And it is evident that Jesus is the One receiving the prayers of Muslims too when they pray to ALLAH; that is why the Quran says ALLAH had taken Jesus to Heaven to be with Him. ALLAH is mighty and wise. An-Nisaa 4:158.

    Jesus teaches ISLAM to help mankind submit to the will of a Wise, Good and Holy God, Whose Name is called “ALLAH” in the Arabic Holy Bible. The Arabic Bible says that ALLAH created the heavens and the earth and everything that is in His vast universe. His religion is therefore called the ISLAM of ALLAH.

    Obviously the god in islam is allah, the divine impostor. That is why his followers, the islamists, hate ISLAM and love islam. That is why islamists can never acept the truth that MM Lee Kuan Yew loves ISLAM, but dislikes islam.

    That is why followers of the divine impostor allah like to operate in darkness, and not in the light, because they know that they are losers and will never win in any open debates about ISLAM versus islam.

    Did not the Quran declare rhetorically that followers of islam are the losers and followers of ISLAM are the successful ones?—-”Lo! is it not they who are in the devil’s [Shaitan's] party who are the losers?…..Lo! is it not they who are of ALLAH’s party who are the successful ones?” Al-Mujadilah 58:19, 22.

    That’s why this apostle of allah, the born-loser Osama b Laden, is long dead—because he gave away all his great wealth to serve the cause of allah. So are many of his sex and hate-driven lieutenants in the al-Qaeda—killed by American drone strikes, and bound for hellfire to account for their mass-slaughter through their never-ending suicide bombings of so many innocent Muslim children, women and men (and the maiming for life of many more innocent Muslims)—even as the innocent Muslims were praying and worshipping in their mosques during the Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan.

    Because they (including the JIs, etc) are all losers, the Quran says in Al-Mujadilah that they are of the devil Shaitan, and cannot be of ALLAH’s party. It is that simple.

    Finally, followers of allah and his islam hate such beautiful Quranic teachings like the transcendentally beautiful Prayer fo Prophet Suleiman (who is better know as King Solomon in my Bible). But I and MM Lee Kuan Yew love this Quranic Prayer very much—to motivate ourselves to do good for Singaporeans. Ask him, if you don’t believe me. That’s why I am passionate about promoting it. So you belong to Lee Kuan Yew’s party too, if you truly love this transcendentally beautiful Quranic prayer.

    So “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • Thor

    I have Muslim friends n I feel sad for them. As usual, there is not an inch of contrition in his rebuttal. I really hope there are no reprisals against the rest of Singapore for this man’s individual remarks. As usual, PM is nowhere to be found. What leadership is this? It seems rich that MSM carried his remarks about national divide at the same time his slanderous and divisive remarks on a major religion of the country were exposed.

  • doppelgangero

    LKY is not as tough as he looks. He could maintain that he did say those words about Islam. Anyone could think that about Islam when he recalls 9/11, Bali bombings etc. He could give us an analysis of why he said those words and our conversations would be far more productive. To deny those words is the act of a coward. But this man has the ISD at his beck and call.

  • Singa1

    6 Sept 2011
    doppelgangero

    We no lackey (running dogs) of the ang moh.
    Falling hook line and sinker without a shread of proof.
    Wilkilead just leaked LKY had an Eskimo girlfriend.
    You’ll believe? Maybe not right – no impact or implications. Right?
    So . . . use your bloody Asian brain cells. If you have any?

    I say “No”, you say “Yes”.
    Who to believe?
    The former MM, of course.
    He has said what he did say. He stands by them. Just look at what he promised a Singapore of 2011 and a Singapore he took over then -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtDmXOrc-ZQ&feature=related
    People paraphrase what you want in the absence of the tape recorder. Right?
    Half century Hansard or newspaper records as a Singapore leader would have shown if indeed such a word was ever use before. Right?
    Why? People like Mahathia somethimes forgets and keeps repeating certain racial terms against the non-Muslims. Check it out.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    WHEN MUSLIMS AND MM LEE KUAN YEW BELONG TO THE SAME PARTY OF ALLAH

    Thank ALLAH that what MM Lee KY said is very true: that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Singapore subscribe to ISLAM, and not islam, its venomous and perverted form. Thank ALLAH for them and for rational Singapore Muslim leaders.

    “I did talk about extremist terrorists like the Jemaah Islamiyah group and the jihadist preachers who brainwashed them,” said Lee. “They….have hijacked Islam to recruit volunteers for their violent ends”.

    But their sympathisers will continue to reject the truth that MM Lee Kuan Yew is only against islam, and not ISLAM. Because islam is their venomous religion, not the ISLAM of ALLAH. So they hate Lee Kuan Yew as the divine impostor allah wants his followers to hate others and the truths, even when they have no reason to hate. That’s why allah’s islam is very venomous while the ISLAM of ALLAH is very good!

    But I am a follower of the ISLAM that Jesus teaches in the Injil(i.e. Gospel of Jesus). Jesus says without His ISLAM, no Christians can go to Heaven (i.e. God’s Kingdom, meaning all Christians will go to Hell without Jesus’ ISLAM. Read Matthew 7:21-23. And it is evident that Jesus is the One receiving the prayers of Muslims too when they pray to ALLAH; that is why the Quran says ALLAH had taken Jesus to Heaven to be with Him. ALLAH is mighty and wise. An-Nisaa 4:158.

    Jesus teaches ISLAM to help mankind submit to the will of a Wise, Good and Holy God, Whose Name is called “ALLAH” in the Arabic Holy Bible. The Arabic Bible says that ALLAH created the heavens and the earth and everything that is in His vast universe.His religion is therefore called the ISLAM of ALLAH.

    Obviously the god in islam is allah, the divine impostor. That is why his followers, the islamists, hate ISLAM and love islam. That is why islamists can never acept the truth that MM Lee Kuan Yew loves ISLAM, but dislikes islam.

    That is why followers of allah like to operate in darkness, and not in the light, because they know that they are losers and will never win in any open debates about ISLAM versus islam.

    Does not the Quran declare rhetorically that followers of islam are the losers and followers of ISLAM are the successful ones?—-”Lo! is it not they who are in the devil’s [Shaitan's] party who are the losers?…..Lo! is it not they who are of ALLAH’s party who are the successful ones?” Al-Mujadilah 58:19, 22.

    That’s why this apostle of allah, the born-loser Osama b Laden, is long dead—because he gave away all his great wealth to serve the cause of allah. So are many of his sex and hate-driven lieutenants in the al-Qaeda—killed by American drone strikes, and bound for hellfire to account for their mass-slaughter through their never-ending suicide bombings of so many innocent Muslim children, women and men (and the maiming for life of many more innocent Muslims)—even as the innocent Muslims were praying and worshipping in their mosques during the Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan.

    Because they (including the JIs, etc) are all losers, the Quran says in Al-Mujadilah that they are of the devil Shaitan, and cannot be of ALLAH’s party. It is that simple.

    Finally, followers of allah and his islam hate such beautiful Quranic teachings like the transcendentally beautiful Prayer fo Prophet Suleiman (who is better know as King Solomon in my Bible). But Muslims and MM Lee Kuan Yew love this Quranic Prayer very much—to motivate themselves/ourselves to do good for Singaporeans. Ask him, if you don’t believe me. That’s why I am passionate about promoting it. So you belong to Lee Kuan Yew’s party too, if you truly love this transcendentally beautiful Quranic prayer.

    So “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • Relieved

    At least if we get attacked by terrorist, we know why.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    WHEN MUSLIMS AND MM LEE KUAN YEW BELONG TO THE SAME PARTY OF ALLAH (AL-MUJADILAH 58:22)

    Many Muslims will certainly be surprised to discover they have more in common with MM Lee than differences. Because, like PM and MM Lee, I am sure many Muslims also love Quranic goodness very much, like the transcendentally beautiful Prayer of Prophet Suleiman (who is better known as King Solomon in my Bible)—to motivate themselves/us to do good for Singapore and for other people to please ALLAH (God). Ask PM and MM Lee, if you don’t believe me.

    But followers of allah and his islam hate such Quranic goodness, like Prophet Suleiman’s beautiful Prayer as such Quranic goodness will definitely destroy their desire for militant jihads to mass-slaughter even innocent Muslims for their allah’s false promises of eternally free sex with many voluptuous paradise virgins. That’s why I am passionate about promoting Prophet Suleiman’s Prayer to everybody.

    So you belong to Lee Kuan Yew’s party too—the Party of ALLAH—if you truly love good Quranic things like Prophet Suleiman’s transcendentally beautiful Prayer.

    So “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. ” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • SingaLeaks

    Theres no reason for wikileaks to lie. They uphold the Freedom to Information and report what they hear.
    Yes, we want to hear more leaks.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    AN AMAZED PAKISTANI MUSLIM SINGS THE HIGH PRAISES OF OUR REVERED MM LEE KUAN YEW

    Really surprised that such high praises of our revered MM Lee can come from Pakistan.

    Read on at this link:
    http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Columns/04-Sep-2011/Wanted–a-Lee-Kuan-Yew

    “Wanted – a Lee Kuan Yew for Pakistan” By S. Tariq 4/9/2011

  • Ah Gong

    @Relieved

    Ya, too much big mouth and bad mouth yet act blur when being question if he said those words. As a senior person in politics, his words hurts many people.

  • Ah Gong

    @Oh Tham Eng

    “AN AMAZED PAKISTANI MUSLIM SINGS THE HIGH PRAISES OF OUR REVERED MM LEE KUAN YEW”.

    Most likely the author written the article before wikileak leaks…..

  • Scribe

    SingaLeaks

    You are wrong, brother.
    There are 1001 reasons for Wikileaks to leak misleads.
    Pl use brains . . .
    I agree with Singa1 that the taped recording is conclusive.
    Hear Ay/
    Please be more objective in this Space Age!

  • http://- mamaduke

    YOU WILL NOT READ THIS IN THE ST
    =========================

    MORE WIKI LEAKS THAT THE ST WILL NOT PUBLISH OR REPORT

    ” Cheryl Chan, Assistant Director of the Planning Division at the Ministry of Education (MOE) wrote: the government does not plan to encourage more students to get a higher education. The university enrollment rate will continue to be maintained at 20-25 percent because the Singaporean labor market does not need everyone to get a four-year degree ”

    ==========

    “Dr. Chee often seems his own worst
    enemy, quixotically undertaking actions he knows will
    infuriate the government. That said, the allegedly
    “defamatory” statements he is accused of making were
    exceedingly mild and would hardly have attracted notice –
    much less legal action — in any other “first world”
    jurisdiction. The Lee family and the People’s Action Party
    seem close to achieving a sorry victory: the silencing of
    political opponents without a trial and destroying the career
    of the one lawyer brave, or foolish, enough to try to fight
    on their behalf. The real challenge to the GOS,
    unfortunately, will come not from oppositionists like the
    Chees but from the inherent contradiction between its stated
    goal of building a dynamic, creative, global city and the
    distortions of its legal system required to enforce some of
    Asia’s tightest restrictions on political speech and social action.
    Â ”

    ==============

    “Few people in Singapore (and likely no one outside of government) know the full details of how funds are transferred in and out of the SWFs or how decisions are made about how much to transfer. This compartmentalized structure has kept the general public in the dark about how much money the GOS has saved on the public’s behalf and how well it has been invested.”

    =

    PAP MP Chong admitted that the party had not succeeded in recruiting a number of “high-flying” business leaders to run. In fact, the party had to reach down to some of its second and third tier candidates to fill out its ticket. Those new candidates will all run in the Group Representative
    =====

    He (LKY) appeared a cranky and sour old man and was only a liability to the PAP’s campaign. The extensive reporting in the government-controlled press may have backfired for the PAP as voters found the vindictiveness against Chee and his party distasteful and tired of the overwrought Gomez affaire. The MM’s role in the 2006 election may have accelerated Singaporeans’ reaching an emotional turning point. ”

    ====

    “LKY became an electoral liability, overshadowing PM Lee, and coming across as a cantankerous old man eager to scold an ungrateful and spoiled younger generation and out of step with contemporary
    Singapore. “

  • don’t treat us as dumbo

    When wiki leaks release info about other people, they are right.

    When they release info about SG leaders, they are wrong.

    Such blatant defence of LKY is amazing.

  • Eugene

    1 The Muslims (here we mean Malays cos all Malays are Muslims) in Singapore have been discriminated. Ex-PM of Malaysia Mahathir had to take a dig at Singapore when he stated most of RMAF jets are flown by Malays whereas in meritocratic Singapore could not find one Malay Fighter Pilot.. That created the local Malays to muse at his dig and quickly LHL and to do the damage control. He rationalized y Malays in Singapore were not posted in sensitve military appts. Within a fortnight MOD produced a photograph of a man in RSAF gear and gave a Muslim name. You know what he is DKK (meaning Indian Muslim). The Indian Muslim community though small in numbers have come in handy to be used as a Decoys to subdue Malay anxieties quiet often by the Papies.

  • Eugene

    Whether lky called Islam as venomous or not let’s look at the track record of his period. In 46 years the Malays have still not produced one who owns public listed company. In 46 years, right from the begining they were eyed with suspicion by PAP. The Malays performed their NS as fireman and constables that too always headed by a non malay officers. The Malays basic right for free education enshrined in the Constitution was amended by tactfully claiming that it amount a crutch mentality. It was forced down their throats. Even today they remain worst off amidst all the import of chinese n indian FTs. After Yusof as president there is a real chance of not having a Malay President. .

  • Momok

    Eugene 6 September 2011

    “You know what he is DKK (meaning Indian Muslim).”

    Precisely, Malaysia is run mainly by DKK (Mamaks). Dr Mahathir (aka Ibrahim Kutty) is the chieftain. So many many more Malaysian leaders in both UMNO and the public service are Mamaks. Check it out!

  • Muthu

    Eugene

    “Even today they remain worst off amidst all the import of chinese n indian FTs.”

    Then we better be more objective. Logic please! Singaporean Malays are definitely much, much better off than the average, ordinary Malays be they in Indonesia or Malaysia. They aren’t rightly going off unlike say the millions of non-Muslim Malaysians who have since the late 60s migrated due to the Affirmative Policy.

    Here in Singapore we don’t any mineral resources or even sufficient potable water. Right? This is a barren land.

    What we see is what the people create from nothingness through their bare hands and brains. And through taxing these human resource all Singaporeans benefit. There is no LAW to stop anyone from doing any form of legitimate business and be wealthy.

    As you know Malaysia as well as Indonesia is governed not by non-Muslims? Malaysia and Indonesia are huge resource-rich countries with even BLACK gold! So rightly the people there shd outshine us or our average S’porean Malays. Right?

    But how is it our AVERAGE Sinagporean Malays doing so much better than them in terms of standard of living and income per head?

    Talk facts please in this Internet Age. Even an idiot Hong Kee, Taiwanese, PRCee or Jap can think better than you.

  • Thinker

    Raja Petra Kamarudin

    from across the causeway writes The Malay Cock Syndrome in his NO HOLDS BARRED column for us to reflect and mediate on. No one needs stir the curry pot for his own personal agenda. Right?

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/43263-the-malay-cock-syndrome

  • Ah kow

    Eugene, there u go again. Same old shit again. Suggest you do some real productive stuff like helping the poor or donate some money.. When was the last time you contribute to the happiness of a Singaporean or an animal? Better be aware that your brain is burning..with negativity.

  • Tom Dooley

    It seems LKY was in hospital last week for minor treatment. He’s OK now.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    “RIGHT ISLAM VERSUS WRONG ISLAM” (AWSJ 3/1/2006)

    This was what the late Islamic scholar Mr Abdurrahman Wahid precisely wrote of the two versions of Islam. Or what I call “Islam versus islam” (or ISLAM versus islam). And MM Lee would see as “Islam versus perverted Islam”.

    So MM Lee might have said to Senator Hillary Clinton in 2005, that “islam is a venomous religion”, which all sensible people would agree is an acceptable statement, given the mountains of facts which islamists are still maniacally churning out to substantiate it. MM Lee certainly did not say, “Islam is a venomous religion”, which of course was/is very wrong of anyone to say so.

    “Wrong Islam” or “Perverted Islam”, according to Mr Abdurrahman (who was also former Indon President), represents “An extreme and perverse [Islamic] ideology [which] in the minds of fanatics is what directly threatens us (specifically, the Wahhabi/Salafi ideolgy—a minority fundamentalist religious cult fueled by petrodollars)… All too often many Muslims fail to grasp Islam which teaches one to be lenient towards others and to understand their value systems, knowing that these are tolerated by Islam as a religion.

    “The essence of Islam is encapsulated in the words of the Quran, “For you, your religion; for me, my religion.”….

    “Religious fanatics pervert Islam into a dogma of intolerance, hatred and bloodshed. They justify their brutality with slogans such as “Islam is above everything else.” They seek to intimidate and subdue anyone who does not share their extremist views.

    “While a few [Muslims] are quick to shed blood themselves, countless millions [of Muslims] sympathize with their violent actions, or join in the complicity of silence. They seek to intidimate and subdue anyone who does not share their extremist views….

    “Fundamentalist strategy is often simple, as well as brilliant. Extremists are quick to drape themselves in a mantle of Islam and declare their opponents kafirs or infidels, and smooth the way for slaughtering non-fundamentalist Muslims.

    “Their ideology rest upon a simplistic, literal and highly selective reading of the [wrong teachings] of the Quran and the Sunnah (prophetic traditions) which they seek to entrap the world-wide Muslim Ummah in the confines of their narrow ideological grasp.. …”

    So radical islamic preachers succeeded immensely to cow the “moderate” Muslims into taking the easy way out without doing much study and inquiry of Islam on their own. To make matters worse, their religious leaders forbid the inquisitive Muslim minds from asking many probing questions, which explains the general ignorance and passivity of the Muslims to settle for formuliac Islam at the expense of substantive Islam; hence the inability of Muslims to engage in meaningful open discourse of what they practise and believe to be Islam.

  • Spankler Pinkie

    I suspect the recent ep re-energised and increased the confidence of lky n gct such that even after quitting a position out of their many, they still come out into the limelight lately.

  • mice is nice

    a person with a forked tongue, warped thinking & who is highly educated will always be more venomous.

  • Smudger

    Persistent Liar!

  • aziz kassim

    Does one need religion to know what is right and what is wrong? when osama was killed, how many muslims celebrated(I am one of them who celebrated). Muslims should open their eyes, what is wrong and what is right. Not blind faith, God gave us the brains, even millions computers donot have, the concious. The bumiputra policies, will bring any countries to the drain even how much resources u have. the people are becoming lazy and sanguine. Look at greece, Italy and portugal, for that matter look at malaysia. FYI I am DKK, scold as much as u can.

  • SINTEX

    No surprise, many of my friends prefer to believe Hilary Clinton & US State Dept than Lee Kuan Yew……something fishy when the old man has to refer to MFA when he has on many occasions publicly boasted that his brain still as good as a computer.

  • Nyona

    No one marginalises the Malays. UMNO has been in charge of Malaysia from the 60s and since then reform after reform has been made to uplift the ordinary Muslims. The most draconian being the discriminatory Affirmative Policy for the Muslims against the minority taxpaying non-Muslims.

    So non-Muslims can’t marginalise them when they aren’t even in-charge. Right?

    After almost 50 years. Malaysia has more than a dozen publicly funded state universities. Mind you the Malaysian Chinese (accordingly to Dr Mahathir, contribues 90% of the public funds) yet they are systematically kept out of all the public universties. And 2 of them do not even enrol non-Muslims at all! Check it out.

    Now let’s look at the latest QS WORLD University Rankings.

    The National University of Singapore is ranked 28 and Nanyang Technical University is at 58. NONE of the Malaysian universities are even within the top 150. Speaks volume right?

    And University Malaya used to be one of the best in the region when Singapore was part of Malaysia.

    Who to blame after 50 years? The Chinese?

    In fact, last year’s Cambridge’s top law graduate was a poor Malaysian Chinese from Temasek JC who was sponsored by Singapore. Today he is serving out his bond here.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    I’M VERY PROUD & GRATEFUL OF SUCH MUSLIMS LIIKE MR AZIZ KASSIM

    May Singapore have many more good and thinking Muslims like Mr Aziz Kassim!

    We must never forget that God is not a respector of person or race or religion. “Truly God shows no partiality [Rom 2:11], but in every nation, any one who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him.” Acts 10:34-35.

    In fact, for believers who are blessed with knowledge of His commandments and moral laws and still wilfully violate them, they will face greater punishment than those who do not know and are unbelievers. So “Repel evil with good, and he who is your enemy will becom yur bosom friend.” Fusilat 41:34.

    In the Injil, Jesus says, “He who knows and did not do to God’s will shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. For everyone to whom much is given, of him much will be required.” Luke 12:47-48.

    So Muslims, there is no such thing that if you become or are a Muslim, God will show favoritism to you to do evil for Him, such as going around instigating others to hate one another, and inciting them to or going about mass-slaughtering and maiming, through suicide bombings, even innocent Muslim children, women and men in the hope of being rewarded with eternally free sex with 72 or more voluptuous virgins in paradise. This is the pernicious false promises of allah, the divine impostor, not of ALLAH Who made the heavens and the earth.

    Neither must Muslims curse Christians or Jews (or Hindus, etc) for no wrong they did, or for the right and good things they do for Muslims and for others. If you curse them, your prayers will go first to Jesus Who is now in Heaven with ALLAH (An-Nisaa 4:158).

    Then Jesus will pass your prayers to ALLAH and He will tell ALLAH to throw your wicked curses back to you to punish you people with your own evil and wicked imaginations.

    That is the reason why Muslim societies are the most self-accursed and the most or among the most hopelessly backward, violent and problems-ridden in the whole world. Because Muslims are suffering from the evil of their own wicked curses at others. It is that simple, Muslims.

    So “Inspire us, O Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to us and our loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit us, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in Allah’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!
    =========================================
    {aziz kassim 7 September 2011
    Does one need religion to know what is right and what is wrong? when osama was killed, how many muslims celebrated(I am one of them who celebrated). Muslims should open their eyes, what is wrong and what is right. Not blind faith, God gave us the brains, even millions computers do not have, the conscious. The bumiputra policies, will bring any countries to the drain even how much resources u have. The people are becoming lazy and sanguine. Look at Greece, Italy and Portugal, for that matter look at Malaysia. FYI I am DKK, scold as much as u can.}

  • Moderator

    Attention all commentators and readers of TOC.

    Please do not include Mamakkutty at all in your discussion.

    He is poison itself. The mere mention of his name will bring destruction, and bring thousand curses unto thousand curses upon oneself.

    Do not say you are not warned after this.

    So do the right thing and refrain.

  • Professional liar

    Getting quite sick with this old man’s antics.

    He just not want to get out of the limelight.

    Kept coming back to haunt the whole of Singapore.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    WHAT IS “MAMAKKUTTY”?

    Hi Moderator!

    What are you talking about, “Mamakkuty”?—”Please do not include Mamakkutty at all in your discussion.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    CHRISTIANS ARE HIGHLY EXTOLLED BY PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBBUH) AS THE THE BEST AND BY THE QURAN AS COMPASSIONATE AND MERCIFUL PEOPLE

    It is very worrisome what the writer of the above article Assoc Prof Bilveer Singh wrote: that “Indonesian jihadists have been adapting to the new environment, adopting new strategies, mutating and linking up with [other jihadist] groups…[because of their irrational fear of the] rising “Christianisation” in [Indonesia]…. More frightening is the fact that educated middle class members from secular educational institutions are joining the ranks of terrorists” in self-radicalisation. (TODAY 7/9/2011, p. 14)

    So one is non-plussed why Muslims should be so unnecessarily alarmed over Christians, when the Buddhists, Hindus and others are not; and when Christians (and Jews) are highly honoured in their Quran as “People of the Book.” According to the Quran, “Christians are [also] the nearest in affection to the Muslims” Al-Maida 5:82.

    The Quran says Christians are the followers of Jesus, son of Mary whom ALLAH has put in their hearts compassion and mercy: “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him.” Al-Hadid 57:27.

    It is the same Jesus Whom the Quran says ALLAH had taken to Heaven to be with Him. ALLAH is mighty and wise. (An-Nisaa 4:158). So, according to the Quran, Jesus is in Heaven, obviously to help ALLAH oversee things happening on earth and in His vast Universe.

    According to the Hadith, this same Jesus will one day return to our very troubled planet earth as its just ruler, to bring unprecedented peace and prosperity (Sahih Bukhari V3B34N425).

    That may also be why ALLAH had directed Prophet Mohammed (pbbuh), and thus the Muslims, to consult with Christians (and the Jews) if he (and thus the Muslims) are in doubt. “So if you (O Muhammad, SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We [i.e. ALLAH] have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).” Yunos 10:94 (Mohsin Khan’s Translation.)

    According to Prophet Mohammed (pbbuh), Christians are also the best, especially in doing good deeds to look after the poor, the orphans and the weak, etc.

    In Sahih Muslim, it was recorded thus: “Al-Mistawrid b al-Qarashi was at Amro b al-As’ place when he said he heard the Messenger of Allah (pbbuh) saying: ‘The hour will come when the Christians are the majority of people on this earth.’

    “Having heard this, the [chauvinistic] Amro was upset: ‘Watch out what you’re saying.’ Al-Mistawrid replied: ‘I’m saying what I heard the Prophet saying.’

    “Moreover, I have told you this to let you know that Christians have 4 good characteristics: they are the most understanding people in times of crisis (fitna); the quickest in recovering from a disaster; the quickest in hitting back after a retreat in a battle; and the best to the poor, the orphans and the weak. Christians also don’t humiliate kings they capture [But when they could, Talibans, etc love dragging around their enemies' corpses and hang them in public to frighten others].’ ”

    FROM:
    http://www.todayonline.com/Commentary/EDC110907-0000315/Indonesian-jihadism-still-going-strong

  • doppelganger

    @Oh Tham Eng, you write like an automatic writer under a spell. Automatic writing is produced by people known to be inhabited by a spirit. The spirit writes through them. Such writing are curiously brilliant because the facts are mostly accurate but crucially twisted in peculiar ways. However there is no record of any automatic writing categorized as good literature, indeed as literature at all. This may be that the spirit world does not interpret our concerns like we do. Thus what you write has the strange aura of bizarre truth. Dreams also have this unreal quality.Or ir is simply that you have been planted by the PAP to fill these pages with nocturnal nonsense. Like the white hiss of a badly tuned TV set. To blanket conversations with noise.

  • TOC Boring

    @ Oh Thumb Eng

    Eh hello, I think u nd to go for a PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT.

  • Eugene

    @ Muthu
    @ Ah Kow

    While I can show you 100 Malaysian and Indonesian who is ethnically Malay tycoons. In these country Malays own and manage public listed companies.
    You show me one Singapore Malay who is owning or at least a CEO of Public Listed Company.
    Btw don’t show me a mamak DKK and claim to be Malay.
    Fortunately for the Malays, Mr Yacob Abraham has allowed to include IndianMalay in their IC.

    @Momok
    Precisely that is my point. The Malaysian Malays are definitely better that Singaporeans on the whole. Mr Mahathir nor their leaders are not as venomous as our leaders. TO MEET THE MAN WITH A HATCHET AT THE CUL-DE SAC. HOW VENOMOUS. Pui Pui Pui. Cowards and those who support and breed these cowards.

  • Superbrandcheesepie

    Expletive Deleted denies saying to Hillary Clinton that Expletive Deleted is a venomous Expletive Deleted. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • grey

    @oh tham eng dont give us your false sermon cos u dont have a clue! Stop talking about allah!

  • Oh Tham Eng

    (TOC Boring 7 September 2011
    @ Oh Thumb Eng

    Eh hello, I think u nd to go for a PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT.)
    =====================================
    I AM NOT ALLOWED BY ISLAM TO RETURN EVIL WITH EVIL.

    I love ISLAM and ALLAH’s good teachings. So I really love Quranic goodness like Fusilat 41:34 which says I have to “Repel evil with good, then he who is your enemy will become your bosom friend.” Fusilat 41:34.

    So may ALLAH bless you for slandering me and ISLAMIC goodness as psychiatric! Please do not do it again, as it is seditious to slander ISLAMIC goodness as psychiatric. But another Muslim “doppelganger” gave me a band-handed compliment to flatter what I posted as “curiously brilliant because the facts are mostly accurate…” Thank you, “doppelganger”. May ALLAH bless you too!

    So Muslim fellow “TOC Boring”! Sorry I won’t be joining you to return evil for the ISLAMIC goodness I am promoting in cyberspace and in this thread in TOC. This is against ISLAM. I know you don’t have faith in ISLAMIC goodness, and may not even understand them. But I do.

    If you think that what I have written about ISLAMIC goodness is psychiatric, please explain in a coherent post why and where have I gone wrong in my explication of ISLAMIC goodness. Note that they are verifiable goodness from ISLAM which I took from your Quran and your holy Hadiths. So it is time that you start to make some effort to learn such ISLAMIC goodness, and stop being ignorant of them.

    How can you fellows slander those ISLAMIC goodness as psychiatric? I have to tell you that this is seditious. Doesn’t matter that just because you are a so-called Muslim, you have the right to make seditious remarks against ISLAM. No, you do not have any such legal rights to do sedition and slander against ISLAM.

    If good in ISLAM is bad, and the bad in islam is good, what hope is there for the Muslim Ummah and their Islamic societies? How then can Muslims hope to stop and expel the great and murderous evil islamists from islam are wreaking non-stop—-their violence and senseless mass-slaughtering—-on the helpless and vulnerable innocent Muslims in Islamic societies, if we have benighted Muslims like you populating the Great Muslim Ummah?

    So try to get a good education from the goodness in your Quran and whatever is good in ISLAM, such as sura 41, ayat 34, and the transcendentally beautiful Prayer of Prophet Suleiman. It is never too late to start learning to be good and to join people like me to promote ISLAMIC goodness.

    Then the War on islamic Terror in Muslim societies can be won decisively and soon. Then you will know that our dear MM Lee Kuan Yew is ALLAH’s greatest gift of a leader to our beloved Singapore.

    And you, another Muslim fellow “grey”: How is it that non-Muslims can appreciate and understand better Quranic/Islamic goodness, but not many Muslims like you? If you think that I am wrong, then please write your post to point out where I was/am wrong, and then give me your correct understanding of ISLAM.

    ISLAM is such a very big topic, and you think you can just summarise it in a silly one liner against me? Perish such unhelpful thoughts, and join me to say and promote to others faith in this transcendentally beautiful Quranic Prayer of Prohet Suleiman, will you?

    “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.
    =================================================================================
    {grey 9 September 2011
    @oh tham eng dont give us your false sermon cos u dont have a clue! Stop talking about allah!

  • Oh Tham Eng

    CORRECTION:

    “back-handed compliment”, not “band-handed compliment”

    Please note that “ALLAH” is “God” as used in the Arabic Holy Bible for the Creator of this Universe and everything in it; whereas “allah” is for “god”, the name of a stone idol worshipped in ancient pagan Arabic societies.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    WIELDING THE LONG SWORD OF ISLAM TO COMBAT THE FOLLOWERS IN RADICAL ISLAM—PART 1

    Former Indon President and an Islamic scholar himself, the late Abdurrahman Wahid, called radical Islam “The Wrong Islam”, while MM Lee called it “The Perverted Islam”, and I simply call it “islam”, which is the religion of allah, that divine impostor; as opposed to ISLAM or Islam, which is “The Right Islam”, the religion of ALLAH.

    Read TODAY’S report dated 8/9/2011 on pages 6 and 30 of the bloody evil that the sex-driven followers of allah’s islam are still merrily perpetrating yesterday—mass-slaughtering innocent people in India and Pakistan, the majority of the victims being Muslims. And the world is getting numbed by such never-ending heinous evil from islam’s sex-driven holy warriors they called “mujahideeds”.

    But what will continue to shock people is the memory of the worst form of serial incests that shook enlightened and progressive Singapore many years ago when one experienced Quran teacher from the religion of islam somehow convinced his obviously mindless wives that he had Quranic rights to rape their teen daughters in order to preserve their sexual purity as they frowned on them talking to their boyfriends, something he/they felt was unchaste and un-islamic.

    He already had ten wives and 60-plus children, in his obviously futile attempts to wrongly emulate Prophet Mohammed’s (pbbuh) marital prowess—-his official twelve wives plus other unoffical ones—-despite the Quran limiting Muslims to maximum of just four wives each.

    With the help of the girls’ mothers, this Quran teacher raped his girls and made them pregnant. So he secretly sent them to Batam for their illegal and painful abortions. That was why one of them decided to secretly report their rapist father to the Singapore police, as she/they could not “tahan” (tolerate) her/their paedophilic father anymore. So that Quran teacher was quickly arrested, charged, convicted and jailed by Singapore High Court Justice Tay Yong Kwang for 38 years in Changi Prison.

    What many still could not understand is, how could his well-educated wives (all English-educated, with “A” Levels or polytechnic diplomas) be so stpuid and unthinking? How could they agree with their husband’s Quranic arguments that he had his Quranic authority to do what he liked with what he possessed with his right hand, even to rape his own daughters and make them pregnant?

    That pretty sums up the pathetic and unquestioning mentality of the docile Muslim Ummah world-wide as they seem to be pretty happy surrendering to their religious leaders and teachers their God-given duty to think and differentiate for themselves with the brains God gave them on what is ISLAM from what is islam. Couldn’t those well-educated Muslim wives not notice that this heinous scam of their Quranic husband was so plainly a scam from his islam?

    Similarly, if only the great Muslim Ummah in our world would bother to wake-up and think for themselves with their God-given brains, the War on islamic Terror would have been won long time ago, and many innocent Muslim lives would have been saved and protected. Sadly, this war still needs to be fought, and hence Singapore authorities will always need to remain on tenterhooks and eternal vigilance to deter and arrest those followers in allah’s islam.

    So I would like to suggest to the Muslim Ummah that one effective way to win this war against followers of “the islam of allah” (i.e. “the Wrong Islam”), in de-radicalisation and counter-radicalisation programs, is to help out in the dissemination to all Muslims the good and authentic teachings in their Quran and Hadiths, such as what I had commented in my post above entitled: “CHRISTIANS ARE HIGHLY EXTOLLED BY PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBBUH) AS THE BEST AND BY THE QURAN AS COMPASSIONATE AND MERCIFUL PEOPLE”

  • Oh Tham Eng

    WIELDING THE LONG SWORD OF ISLAM TO COMBAT THE FOLLOWERS IN RADICAL ISLAM—PART 2

    This is what I mean by wielding the long Sword of ISLAM to combat those murderous, sex-driven islamists in islam wielding lethal daggers from their islam to wreak their never-ending evil and havoc on innocent Muslim lives, Islamic societies, and the world at large for their allah.

    So instead of slandering me and the good Islamic/Quranic teachings that I am promoting as psychiatric, I would like to invite all Muslims who have not already done so to join me to say and show faith in this transcendentally beautiful Quranic Prayer of Prophet Suleiman:

    “Inspire me, Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • Siraj

    @Oh Tham Eng

    You are one messed up Muslim. You seem to have split one to many hairs. You would make a good case study.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    {Siraj 13 September 2011

    @Oh Tham Eng

    You are one messed up Muslim. You seem to have split one to many hairs. You would make a good case study. }
    ===================================
    SAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR FREEDOM TO SLANDER ME AS “PSYCHIATRIC” AND WITH OTHER UNTRUTHS

    Well, Mr Siraj, for your information, the Name of the Supreme Deity “ALLAH” is used both in the Arabic/Malay Holy Bible and the Sikh’s holy scriptures Guru Granth Sahib in Malaysia (Malay translation).

    It is sad that TOC moderator(s) allowed my detractors their unlawful act to slander me as “psychiatric”, etc, and I am deprived and oppressed of my right to respond in lawful, factual and intelligent ways.

    So long as I am allowed to respond to your comments, your short negative comment on me as “mak[ing] a good case study” of a “messed up” person is acceptable as it is within the limits of civil discourse and debates on such a contentious subject like MM Lee’s putative remark that “islam is a venomous religion.”

    TOC moderator(s) do not seem to recognise my corresponding legal rights and duty to respectfully, intelligently and factually clarify and explain what I wrote and believe. That is why to this very day since 9/9/2011, I am non-plussed why the unreasonably islamophobic TOC has held up publishing my post entitled “BEST WAY TO COMBAT islamic TERRORISM”.

    Well, you can read it in todayonline what I wrote there at:

    http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC110905-0000640/WikiLeaks-claim-is-false–Lee-Kuan-Yew

  • Oh Tham Eng

    PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBBUH) ESSENTIALLY SAID THE SAME THING AS MM LEE KUAN YEW—PART 1

    The Quran says ALLAH does not guide the evil-doers, but the righteous (al-Maida 5:51). So Muslims in fact should be grateful to MM Lee and not be angry over what he had said to Sen Hillary Clinton in 2005 about islam (i.e. the perversion of Islam by islamic extremists like the JIs and al-Qaedans in our/humanity’s last days.) It is essentially what Prophet Mohd (pbbuh) had said about the diminution of Islam to islam by those evil-doers in the last days.

    Narrated by Yusaid b Amr (r.a.): “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying about Khawarij [the spiritual ancestors of al-Qaedans, JIs and islamic extremists]: ‘During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will recite the Quran (and say the best words), but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow darting through the game’s body. So, wherever you find them, kill them [the JIs, alQaedans, etc]. For whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.’ (Sahih Bukhari 84:64-65)

    Well, isn’t this what the Amerian drone-strikes are successfully doing to fulfil Prophet Mohd’s (pbbuh) holy order—killing those vile descendants of the Khawarij whom Mohd wanted them killed?

    Because the Quran in Al-Anbiya 21:107 says “We [Allah] have sent you (O Mohammad SAW) not but as a Mercy for all the humans and all that exists in this World”

    Prophet Mohd himself said: “God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach & make things easy [for the Muslim Ummah].” (re Sahih Muslim B9N3506). So why are Muslims still supporting & defending those evil, sex-crazy & hate-driven descendants of Khawarij who are merrily maiming, terrorising & massacring so many innocent Muslims in ALLAH’s & Mohd’s names?

    And why are Muslims mindlessly hating Christians who were highly extolled by Prophet Mohd (pbbuh) as being the best & by the Quran as people whom ALLAH has put into their hearts compassion & mercy?

    “We [ALLAH] placed compassion & mercy in the hearts of those who follow Jesus, son of Mary.” Al-Hadid 57:27

    Who is this Jesus that Christians follow? He is the Jesus Whom the Quran says “ALLAH has taken Him to Heaven to be with Him. ALLAH is mighty & wise.” (An-Nisaa 4: 158).

    He is also the Jesus Whom Mohd (pbbuh) said in the hadith that ALLAH will send Him back to our troubled planet earth to be its just ruler one day, to bring humanity unprecedented peace, prosperity & harmony. (re Sahih Bukhari V3B34N425).

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

    You may want to read my post: “CHRISTIANS ARE HIGHLY EXTOLLED BY PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBBUH) AS THE BEST & BY THE QURAN AS COMPASSIONATE & MERCIFUL PEOPLE—PART 1,2 & 3″at: http://www.todayonline.com/Commentary/EDC110907-0000315/Indonesian-jihadism-still-going-strong

  • Oh Tham Eng

    NOT TIME YET TO CELEBRATE VICTORY—PART 1

    Al Qaeda and JI are to terror what the mafia is to crime. Their goal is not making money; it is to remake the world and impose the venomous beliefs of islam on people everywhere.

    Terrorism was not caused by the religion of ISLAM but by followers of islam. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human lives to serve their radical visions; by abandoning every value except their lust for power and for allah’s false promises of eternally free sex with 72 or more voluptuous paradise virgins, followers of islam follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism.

    So the root of islamic terrorism was/is the lack of freedom to think and to ask probing questions in Muslim societies. Doing so would expose one’s life to mortal dangers for daring to question and challenge allah’s rule on abrogation and taqiyya

    “For there is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.” Al-Baqarah 2:256. So “Inspire us, O Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to us and our loved ones, to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit us, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. “An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13

    Many voices insisted that terrorism was fueled by poverty or lack of education. Other analysts rushed to explain 9/11 as the fruit of US “arrogance,” or as a reaction to Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In secular terms, as Princeton economist Alan Krueger demonstrated in a 2007 book, “What Makes A Terrorist?”, the best predictors of terrorism are “the suppression of civil liberties and political rights, including freedom of the press, the freedom to assemble, and democratic rights.”

    So our MM Lee Kuan Yew’s belief was/is correct: even if the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts are resolved, islam-inspired terrorism will continue to engender grave problems and to pose existential threats to humanity.

    That’s is why islamic terror hasn’t been eradicated; and liberal Muslim democracy has a long way to go. But we must continue to engage the Muslim minds in the struggle of ideas. For the world fight not just the islamic terrorists, but the poisoned ideas that motivate them. The good thing is, the world and Singapore are winning this war that began on 9/11—but only slowly.

    “Lo! are they not of the devil’s party who are the losers?….Lo! are they not of ALLAH’s party who are the successful ones?” Al-Mujadilah 58:19, 22

  • Oh Tham Eng

    MAY ALLAH BE GREATLY PRAISED FOR VISIONARY LEADERS LIKE LEE KUAN YEW!

    Praise ALLAH for the great foresight and insight of our great and visionary leaders like Lee Kuan Yew! May I vote him as ALLAH’s greatest gift of a leader to Singapore!

    Malaysian DPM Muhyiddin Yassin announced in August 2001 that a committee had been [belatedly] set up by the government to study the country’s education system. He said Malaysian education system needs to produce workers who are competitive & skilled technically, & who are proficient in English. Employers have often grumbled that graduates of Malaysian public universities—mostly Malays—have such a poor command of English that made them unemployable for many jobs .(Re ST 14/9/2011 p.A2)

    Malaysian government’s pro-Malay programmes set up to ‘punish’ non-Malay youngsters & handicap their progress & competitiveness ironically ended up ‘torturing’ Chinese youngsters into becoming effectively trilingual (in Chinese, Malay & English), thus giving them an extra edge over Malay graduates in the job market because Malay students tend to be monolingual.

    Moreover, Malaysian school system not only failed to integrate students of all races; it creates grave & increasing racial polarisation in the population, resulting in Malay youngsters being ‘punished’ by short-sighted policies which were originally formulated to help make life easier for them to maintain their status as first class citizens.

    As a result, ethnic integration is difficult to forge in Malaysian schools as Malay children naturally gravitate to Malay-medium national primary schools staffed almost entirely by Malay teachers. Chinese and Indian parents expectedly enrol their children in Chinese & Tamil schools respectively, as these are justifiably seen to be better than Malay-language government schools. Thus attempts at integrating students of all races through “integrated schools”, “vision schools” & “cluster schools” failed dismally.

    Well, such had also being the legendary wisdom, humility & foresight of Singapore’s Muslim Malay leaders that when they saw certain schools becoming more popular with Malay youngsters, straightaway they took ownership of the problems Malay youngsters were creating for themselves & got the government to dilute & disperse the Malay population there to other schools, as Chinese parents got worried & would not want to send their children to schools if they were popular with Malays. Moreover, Singapore’s wise Malay Muslim leaders believe in inculcating our Malay youngsters in authentic ISLAMIC values to spur them to work hard, excel & succeed in life rather than in islam; & not politicising to no end about Muslims being victimised & unfairly discriminated in life because of their religion.

    “Lo! they who are of ALLAH’s party are the successful ones!” Al-Mujadilah 58:22.

    To make an already bad situation worse in Malaysia, a rising tide of islamic fervor resulted in government schools striving to be more “islamic” to compete with madrassahs for Malay children. This resulted in non-Malays shunning government schools for the vernacular as they only want their children instilled in the universal ISLAMIC virtues needed to succeed in life, not obscurantist islam (or islamism) which government schools are passionately promoting.

    The poor excuse Najib’s government gave for their retrogressive decision in 2009 to go back teaching Maths & Science in Malay was because over 67% of the teachers were not competent enough to teach in English, & more than 73% of students were unable to cope with the subjects being taught this way.

    As a result, even Malay-led groups like Parent Action Group for Education (page) are pressing the government for a return of English in the teaching of Science & Maths, which all Malay students in Singapore are ever so happily blessed for being so taught.

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

    So “Vie with each other in good works” (Al-Maida 5:48). “Help one another in what is good & pious, & not in what is wicked & sinful [like what al-Qaedian & JI islamists are trying so hard to do].” (Al-Maida 5:2). “For ALLAH does not guide the evil-doers” (At Tauba 9:80) “He loves the righteous.” (Ali-Imran 3:148) & “He is with them.” (At-Tauba 9:36)

  • Cheesepie

    LKY is a highly experienced elder statesman of exceptional brilliance and insightfulness. More than anyone else he has been there and done it, and he KNOWS a lot, and speaks hard truths into your face. So when he says ”Expletive Deleted” is a venomous ”expletive deleted”, he is probably right. He is also honourable and honest to a fault, so when he DENIES ever having said ”Expletive Deleted” is a venomous ”expletive deleted”, we should also (eer-herm!) believe that there is some hard truth in his denial.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    EXPOSED: DESCENDANTS & FOLLOWERS OF THE VILE AL-KHAWARIJ PROPHET MOHAMMED HATED & ORDERED TO BE KILLED

    The Quran says ALLAH does not guide the evil-doers (Al-Maida 5:51). “ALLAH loves the righteous.” (Ali-Imran 3:148). “HE is with the righteous”(At-Tauba 9:36). For “ALLAH is with those who keep from evil/are godfearing and are doers of good (to others).” (Al-Nahl 16:128). “ALLAH will surely reward those who do good works.” (An-Nur 24:51, Ali-Imran 3:148). “HE will not deny the righteous their reward.” (At-Tauba 9:121). “Such men will surely prosper/succeed (An-Nur 24:51) and triumph” (An-Nur 24:52). For “he who leads a righteous life has grasped the most trustworthy handhold.” (Luqman 31:22) . For “ALLAH does not guide the evil-doers.” (At-Tauba 9:80)

    So “Vie with each other to do good works.” (Al-Maida 5:48). “Help one another in what is good and pious and not in what is wicked and sinful.” (Al-Maida 5:2).

    So Muslims in fact should be very grateful to MM Lee for wanting all Muslims to be VERY STRICT in ISLAM, such as these, and not in the islam of the sex-driven al-Qaedans, the JIs and other islamic terrorists and extremists. So Muslims must never be angry over what MM Lee had said to Senator Hillary Clinton in 2005 about this islam (i.e. the perversion of Islam by islamic extremists like the JIs and al-Qaedans in our/humanity’s last days).

    For what MM Lee said to Senator Hillary Clinton was essentially what Prophet Mohammed (pbbuh) had complained about the disgrace to ISLAM and diminution of Islam to islam caused by those evil-doers in the last days, such as the Khawarij, who are the spiritual ancestors of the AlQaedans, JIs and other islamic terrorists.

    Narrated by Yusaid b Amr (r.a.): “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying about Khawarij: ‘During the last days, there will appear some young foolish people who will recite the Quran (and say the best words), but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow darting through the game’s body. So, wherever you find them, kill them [the JIs, alQaedans, etc]. For whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.’ (Sahih Bukhari 84:64-65)

    Well, isn’t this what the American drone-strikes are successfully doing to fulfil Prophet Mohammed’s (pbbuh) holy order to kill those vile descendants of the Khawarij?

    Because the Quran in Al-Anbiya 21:107 says “We [Allah] have sent you (O Mohammad SAW) not but as a Mercy for all the humans and all that exists in this World.” Prophet Mohammed himself said: “God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy [for the Muslim Ummah].”(re Sahih Muslim B9N3506).

    But against Quranic prohibition in An-Nisaa 4:92, that Muslims must not kill Muslims, those evil, sex-crazy and hate-driven descendants of Khawarij are merrily maiming, terrorising and massacring to no end so many innocent and defenseless Muslim children, women and men in ALLAH’s and Mohammed’s good names.

    So why are many Muslims so sympathetic and still supporting and defending those wicked descendants of Khawarij, and hating Americans who are obeying their Prophet Mohammed’s holy order to kill those slaughterers of so many innocent Muslims?

    Moreover, it can be clearly seen from the Quran that Osama b Laden and his followers are of the devil’s party. That’s why they are the losers, and ALLAH had used the US Navy SEAL to kill him inside the safety of his home in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

    “Lo! those who are of the devil’s party are the losers….Lo! those who are of ALLAH’s party are the successful ones.” (Al-Mujadilah 58:19, 22). ” For “Victory comes only from ALLAH, the Mighty and the Wise One!” (Ali-Imran 3:126).

    “O Muslims!…do not kill yourselves, nor kill one another. He who does that through wickedness and injustice [through suicide bombings] shall be burned in hellfire.” (An-Nisaa 4:29-30).

    “For there is no compulsion in religion. Truth now stands distinct from error.” Al-Baqarah 2:256.

    So “Inspire us, O Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to us and our loved ones, to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit us, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. “An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13

    ALLAHU Akbar! God is Greatest!!

  • Abdullah

    Oh Tham Eng, you sound hypocritical.

  • Oh Tham Eng

    {Abdullah 20 September 2011
    Oh Tham Eng, you sound hypocritical.}
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    WHY SHOULD I BE LEARNING FROM MY BIBLE HOW TO KILL OTHERS FOR THEIR VIRGINS, SOMETHING NOT FOUND IN THE QURAN?

    Thank you for criticing me, Mr Abdullah. May ALLAH bless you, Mr Abdullah!

    Well, in my open letter to the late Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University dated 26 May 2006 when he visited Singapore that year, I had reported to him that Saudi King Abdullah had called Osama and his se-crazy al-Qaedan jihadists satanic some years ago. So you think the Saudi King was also being hypocritical like me, because we do not believe those modern-day Khawarij to be of ALLAH, but allah’s (that divine impostor)?

    Moreover, I told His Excellency Dr Sheik Mohd Sayyid Tantawi that nowhere in the Quran did it command the Muslims to kill others for their virgin daughters and take them as wives, except in my Bible in Numbers 31:10-18. So since this is found in the Bible, Christians like me, but not the Muslims, should be on a rampage to kill others for their virgin daughters, right? But we never choose to do it.

    Yet the Muslim jihadists came to my Bible (because it is not found in their Quran) to learn how to kill others for virgins and then islamising the earthly virgins into voluptuous paradise virgins to enjoy their eternally free sex there. Simply put, Muslims came to my Bible to learn how to kill for virgins and then islamise what they learned from it into killing others for heavenly virgins—because earthly virgins can get pregnant and grow old, but not heavenly virgins. Isn’t this very strange of many Muslims?

    Question is, if Jews and Christians like me do no see any need to learn from our Bible how to kill (innocent) people for their virgins, why should many Muslims show such great and vicarious faith in my Bible to learn from it what we Christians and Jews do not wish to learn?—-simply because it never was/is ALLAH’s command for us to obey what He once gave to Moses (i.e. Nabi Musa) for the ancient Jewish mujahideens to kill the Midianites and take their virgin daughters for wives.

    And when there are so many good teachings you Muslims can learn from my Bible, why must it be this killing others for earthy virgins found in Numbers 31:10-18 (and never from your Quran) that many Muslims are still so interested in, and then islamising it into killing others for heavenly virgins? Strange, isn’t it?

    So am I being a hypocrite (i.e not showing faith in my own Bible) just because I do not feel any need to follow or learn the Biblical command ALLAH gave to Moses for the Jewish mujahideens to kill the ancient Midianites for their virgin daughters to take as wives? If I do not wish to learn things like killing others for their virgin daughters from my Bible, but only the good teachings therein, why do you think I was/am being a hypocrite just because I wish ONLY to believe and learn ONLY the good teachings in your Quran and the Hadiths, and not questionable teachings therein, Mr Abdullah?

    In other words, why should many Muslims want to behave like dogs lapping up the vomits of the Jewish and Christian dogs?

    And worst still, why are Muslims like you not interested to join me (or I join you) to promote to others and the world the goodness in your Quran and Islam? This will certainly be good for our Singapore too—to make it into ALLAH’s most beloved nation on planet earth, right? So can you really think logically, Mr Abdullah? I hope you do.

    So “Inspire me, O Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my loved ones, to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous. “An-Naml 27:19. “For the noblest in ALLAH’s sight is he/she who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurat 49:13

  • di

    Sick? See doc.

    Bugging toothache? See dentist.

    Psycho ala Oh Thumb Eng? See shrink, yes definitely absolutely shrink. ASAP!!!

  • di

    Hahahahaha, I didn’t know the much-vaunted, self-congratulating, seriously-mad, sonofabitchy toad calling himself OH THUMB ENG is actually a pussy cat hiding in a closet.

    Now I know. Hahahahaha……………..

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